Tuesday, May 20, 2008

The Evolution of Zack Addy - How he became a killer

There are many fans upset with the revelation that our beloved Zack could be gone. The fact that he could be a killer makes them mad.

My thought? It makes sense.

Here's why.

Purpose. Zack desperately wanted a purpose. He tried to find it in Iraq but they sent him home due to 'failure to assimilate' and with the idea that it was wrong that the Jeffersonian was the only place he could fit. He needed to find his own purpose.

Note: Sweets pointed out early in Season 3 that the silver skeleton was 'Gormogon's sole purpose. Zack was not there for that but it was a hint if a connection. On re-watching the Gormogon episodes this past Sunday that scene was my first hint that Zack was the apprentice.

Personality. Zack's entire personality, as most people view the concept, was defined by imitating others. His sole quirks and markers were the result of his rational brain. His hobbies and loves all had rational backing. Model airplanes? Applied engineering. Love of singing? Calculated to win friends. King of the Lab? You could see that even when he claimed the title, Zack often had a look of 'I don't get this game'. He played it because Hodgins did. Being correct in his science was all Zack needed. Hodgins even said to him at one point, "If you're ever going to properly imitate being human..." We had all the signs and what they all pointed to was a weak personality who was primed for someone with a stronger personality to come in and give him purpose without trying to influence Zack's own personality.

Most of the people around Zack had someone, in the end. Hodgins and Angela had each other. And more and more Brennan, his scientific mentor and mother figure, had Booth. Cam was becoming his new mother figure but it seemed to be too little, too late. Zack needed a strong guide and his main ones - Hodgins and Brennan - now had other concerns. That left him ripe for the Master's picking.

But what truly made the transition to killer possible? His supreme governing nature: The Rational. The one thing Zack could truly lay claim to was his intellect and rational being. In Season 1 he was asked what he would do if someone presented him with an irrefutable argument to do something others would deem wrong. His answer? Not without checking with Dr. Brennan, Angela, and others first. But they have drawn more and more into other relationships leaving him more isolated, more vulnerable.

Logic and reason were the only things Zack could call his own. Brennan is very much like Zack, but with her strong emotional attachment to Booth and reverence for life her rational brain is tempered by a vibrant heart. This is how she knew exactly how Zack reached his conclusions, without falling prey to them herself.

(Note: I cried like crazy on re-watching this scene.)
Zack: If you knew what I know, you'd understand. You'd be proud of me.
Brennan: I've always been proud of you, Zack. I've never met anyone more rational or intelligent. But there's a fault in your logic.
Zack: With all due respect, you aren't cognizant of his logic.
Brennan: Assumption number 1: Secret societies exist.
Zack: Accepted. Hodgins has been explaining this to me for years.
Brennan: Assumption number 2: The human experience is adversely affected by secret societies.
Zack: Accepted.
Brennan: Assumption number 3: Attacking and killing members of secret societies will have an ameliorating (improving) affect on the human experience.
Zack: Accepted.
Brennan: All of your assumptions are built on a first principle, Zack. To wit: the historical human experience as a whole is more important than a single person's life.
Zack: Yes.
Brennan: Yet you risked it all so you wouldn't hurt Hodgins.

I really cried when they did...

Zack is more rational but Brennan is more complete. She acknowledges, to a point, her heart and therefore can incorporate it into her decision-making. By ignoring it or not understanding it Zack is even more at it's mercy. He realized this too late.

This wasn't as sudden as it seemed, to me. It was foreshadowed heavily in 'The Verdict in the Story'. Zack made mistakes? He could make a bigger one. Brennan is rationally capable of taking a life? Then Zack most definitely is. But there's a difference. Brennan could do it to rationally head off a death of a loved one: brain tempered by heart. Zack could do it on the basis of any irrefutable argument. Personal relationships need not, and should not, be involved.

Zack is not insane and Sweets knows it. Some might rationally try to argue he is in some ways more highly evolved, beyond what society can handle. Science is striving to create robots unconcerned with emotions. Personally, though, I think it could be a bit exhausting to have a robot to which you must prove the reasoning for every command...

We're not supposed to see Zack as 'bad'. For all his intellect and all his logic he never could grasp the one most important aspect of the human condition:

Booth: Brain and Heart, Bones. Brain and Heart.

Zack missed the heart completely. And for that we should feel sad.

Comments welcomed and encouraged.

94 comments:

ADDhole said...

Also recall Sweets's testimony on the stand in The Verdict in the Story - Zack demonstrated the danger of the totally rational mind . . .

All very valid. Your argument is . . . accepted.

Anonymous said...

Great post.

My main issue with this twist is that the producers were clearly forced to make this jump because of the strike ... I don't think they ever intended Zach to be the Apprentice - or if they did, they would have planned to introduce it more slowly.

But I think with the decision they took, they handled it well. He didn't suddenly turn into a completely different person (Kevin Spacy in The Usual Suspects style), and the others clearly still care about him. I guess it all links back to what HH was saying about this being a team that deals with murder, and how it was bound to affect them at some point. They lost a member to a murderer ... just not in a physical sense.

I'm glad they tried to wrap everything up in this episode, but there was a LOT to wrap up ... it did seem far too fast. I think they made the right choice in The Verdict in The Story to not include a 'normal' case ... they managed to cram a lot in, without it feeling too rushed.

My main issue with this series as a whole, is that there hasn't been enough follow-through with episodes. We've had great episodes, and some truly amazing moments, but no follow-up. Booth and Bones kiss ... never mentioned again. Booth sacrifices Bones for her father's trial ... again, not mentioned. We get that random episode from S2. Booth, Bones' partner, the person she's closest to, the one we all know is the love of her life DIES ... and it's all wrapped up in 5 minutes before the credits. Yes, I know he didn't really die, but he was dead to her for 2 weeks ... I think they missed a great opportunity there. I would have preferred one more episode between WitW and PitH, to show how she deals (or doesn't) with that.

Still, hopefully now they've wrapped everything up, next season will be much more cohesive.

p.s. sorry - din't mean for that post to be so long. Maybe I should have just said "Booth in bath tub - woohoo!"

Evi said...

Haha, anon - you make many great points. Over the next few days I'm going to post an episode review then probably a 'Bones: where are we now?' so I can vent about things like forgotten topics.

Like - Brennan killed someone again and we didn't hear a peep!

Amanda said...

I like what your saying about Brennan and Hodgins relationship with Zack. Zack needed to be guided or he wouldn't know what to do with himself, this episode proved that anyone could have convinced Zack that they could be his guide and that's exactly what happened.

The completely rational human being is dangerous, Zack AND Brennan have learned that this episode.

I want to see Zack again, but then again I'm sort of mad at him for doing what he did. But maybe it wasn't his fault, maybe it was everyone else's for neglecting him.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't this mean that Zach is the new Master? And even though he is very emotionally retarded who is to say he couldn't convince a weaker personality (say a child) to do his bidding? Perhaps he might meet this child in a group in the mental hospital next year. But at this point I am just speculating.

Amanda said...

oooh! Anon, you make a very valid point. Could we see Zack again, perhaps as an Epps-type adversary. Our own Dr. Moriarty?

Bruce said...

I think this analysis is a good justification of where the show felt forced to go for some reason (the writers' strike etc). However, the show didn't convince me re the dangers of the supremely rational person and so on. Zack never struck me as a 'weak' person, to be brainwashed by an insane cannibal in just 3 months. How could he ever have interacted with such a person, much less made him dentures out of Jeffersonian teeth? Wouldn't he be far more imprinted on his mentors in the Jeffersonian, whose raison d'etre was finding murderers to ensure a better society. Or if he did deviate from that path, there would be many more rational choices of vigilantism, Dexter-style. And why lie about the composition of the teeth, with high risk of detection, when presumably he could have come up with another way to make something explode in the lab.

To me, it makes more sense for an emotional, needy person to do these things - without thinking through the consequences. For example, Sweets - at a stretch.

As you point out, if there was any flaw to Zack's willingness to consider doing something wrong, it was tempered by his own commitment to 'asking Dr Brennan first'. Ultimately, I think demonising the rational is a symptom of emotional script-writers fearing what they don't understand, which is ironic for this show :)

PS. Don't get me started on the cheap faked death plot device ;)

Anonymous said...

I agree with Bruce. Any rational scientist of Zack's intellect would test their theory or new information (ie that coming from the cannibal) with other respected scientists,such as Brennan or Hodgins. It's not at all logical that Zack, who has been dedicated to saving people's lives as a member of the team would suddenly turn his back on the only people he has connected too--and he does have a large loving family. I think the writing's been awful this year. As someone said-all those plot gaps. I think it started with Gormangast--I mean this was the second time they used cannibalism. I wonder what Kathy Reichs thought of that as keeping the realism of forensics in the show! This is my first visit. Thanks for the very interesting analysis-

Emily said...

Seriously. Brennan shoots Booth's stalker in the neck, and no one says anything to her?? I totally agree that they never wrap up episodes very well. B and B need to have a conversation about the kiss!! Also, when Booth is in the bath tub, and Brennan walks in to lecture him about not telling her that he was alive, it was kinda silly. It wasn't a very serious conversation. Booth was wearing the beer hat, and he was naked! They should have had a serious emotional discussion! She obviously was very upset that he died! Zach better come back. And what did Cam mean in the end when she said "From the first time I met Zach I knew he would cause me pain." What does that mean??? In last week's episode, did anyone else notice how when Booth and Brennan first go to the open mic night, he says something like "I feel like pulling out a gun!". Well that's ironic...

Ariel said...

Oh god, I hope Zack comes back!

I can really relate to him on a lot of his views of the world. I am not exactly *cough* a "people person" and the kids at my school always seem like idiots to me because I don't get the point of standing around for 30 minutes and kicking a ball around and so I end up isolating myself because I worry about insulting them. Ok getting off topic. I just hope he comes back, one way or another. Eric Millegan is an excellent actor and it would be a shame to loose him. Also if he wanted off the show couldn't he just have been gone when he went to Iraq? It would have been much MUCH less painful.

Some people may argue, he took a life, should he get a second shot at happiness? Brennan shot that woman last episode, did she deserve to die? Was there another way she could have handled this that wouldn't take a life? So what makes Zack different he obviously shows remorse for his actions.. Oh well just please, FOX, bring Zack back!!

Bridget said...

I concur with your assessments with Zach. I just have one question though. Just because Zach is very much plausible to be Gormogon, do they really have to go in that direction? Yeah, they handled the twist well but I think that was really just for shock value.

Chris said...

I don't understand how we can compare Bones shooting the stocker in the neck to Zack's act. The stocker obviously was about to shoot Bones when she realized that Bones made her shoot Booth (from the stocker perspective). Bones has shot people before in self-defense and in defense of Booth.

I honestly don't see a need for wrapup on the stocker shooting. Everyone above is of course correct that wrapups of the kiss, and more discussion of Bones' emotions of loss and love is necessary.

I believe the writers have been dangling the carrot of the BB love connection forever now because they know it keeps viewers attached. Without that sexual and emotional tension, the show would become more boring.

I believe they won't be able to pull off having Zack back in the office ever again but they will figure out a way to make him an external consultant of some sort. Not sure how the chain of custody works when you ship body parts to the looney bin though!

Anonymous said...

Sorry Chris your whole argument, though valid, was discounted for me because of some serious errors in your choice of words.

The term is "STALKER" as in to stalk:–verb (used without object) 1. to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.

Not stocker as in stock broker, a person who sells stocks.

P.S. Wrap-up is hyphenated or two words. Come on now.

Anonymous said...

I'm Liz but I can't seem to get my name included on the post--I'm very new at this. I'd appreciate a quick lesson. Thanks.
I'm an English teacher, so I'm always prepared to give quick grammar tips, but I don't. Instead I find it's more polite to ignore those mistakes that don't really matter, and I don't think writing comments about a TV show is all that important! This is a place where the thoughts are what matter, and I've been really impressed with the discourse here and that's why I keep checking in to the site. Besides, have you read any of the comments on other sites? "Dis David I loooov im"! "It's not Zac cos ILuv im!!!" This is a grad seminar by comparison!
FYI Stock=commodity. A stocker makes sure there are enough stocks of commodities. eg. Safeway shelf stocker. A stock broker is a person who buys or sells stocks. They're not stockers.
I'm the anon. who called Gormogon "Gormanghast" earlier--sorry.
Here are some questions I still have about the season ending.
Why did it take two weeks to "bury" Booth?
Where were his parents, brother, other family?
Why did the FBI go to all that trouble on the off chance a bad guy would do what he said he'd do?
Why did Booth have to catch him from the graveside? Where were the other agents?
Why didn't Tempe show love before anger?
How did she get into Booth's house? Does she have a key? Why? Wouldn't she have shouted for him or banged on the door before charging in? Or even just peeked in?
Some good writing could have dealt with all these. I hope that some people from Bones check out these comments before they begin next season. There's a limit to suspending our disbelief and it's the little details that can make all the difference.

laura said...

This was a very interesting read. Though, I don't agree with it, I did enjoy reading such a different opinion of Zack's characteristics. I, honestly, did not see it comng when they revealed that Zack was the apprentice. I didn't even think to consider him as the apprentice. I still don't agree with what happened in the episode. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It all seemed very rushed and sloppy; not at all thought out. They seemed to have somehow shoved a good many episodes worth of events into one episode...and it definately shows.
Not only was the fake funeral scene too short, it was also extremely confusing. When I saw it, I thought I had missed an episode! The idea could have played better, if it wasn't squished into a 5 minute scene.

Okay, on to Zack and his character traits. I truly believe that he has Asperger's Syndrome because he displays every single symptom that is ascribed to it (click on the link in my display name to see the symptoms and information about it). Zack is, and always has been, socially inept. He doesn't interact well with people and he seems as though he doesn't filter his thoughts before he says them. He even said in an episode that he never talked to anyone when he went to high school. Which, leads me to believe that neither he or anyone else really bothered to try to socialize (probably because it was out of his comfort zone). I don't think that he would have felt neglected from the relationships that the others formed between each other. He is used to isolation and being on his own. But, in this scenario, I don't think he would see himself as being alone. They are still his friends and colleagues; people that actually care about him and understand him. Judging from his unsupportive family and his confession of not being socially accepted in high school, I'd say that the care that he gets is something relatively new to him. I would think that someone who has had such a lack of relationships would value what friendship they could get (which, I think was proven by the fact that he treasured the different things that the others gave him). Which, leads me to believe that he wouldn't want to jeopardize those friendships by becoming the apprentice. Another reason as to why he wouldn't be the apprentice is this: why would someone who didn't have an intrest in talking to anyone throughout their whole high school career suddenly decide to break out of their comfort zone and talk to some cannibal stranger? I highly doubt that. Zack is incredibly intelligent. I don't think that someone with his intelligence would commit a crime that he knew would get solved, especially when they work where he works. And, Zack stated in one episode that he had a fear of driving. Didn't the apprentice drive away on a motorcycle after he blew up Booth and Brennan's car? When Zack and Brennan were talking about the secret society, it sounded to me like he was brainwashed. It didn't sound like the Zack we've seen thus far in the series.

I think that the writers were going to make Sweets the apprentice then decided agianst it because of his rapid growing popularity. I remember noting how fascinated Sweets was with the case, how his insights about it were always correct, and the apprentice who killed the lobbyist looked a lot like him. Plus, since Sweets has become a more permanent cast member, we have seen that he is sneaky, smart, caniving, and able to manipulate people easily...the makings of a great apprentice. I bet they didn't make him the apprentice because of how less shocking it would have been if it was him instead of Zack. Ruining a great character for shock value...bad move on FOX's part.

I really hope they bring Zack back. He is ultimately my favorite character and I hate to see him go. Not to mention all the crying I'll be doing when I buy Season 3!

Evi said...

Anonymous (most recent) -

Thank you for your comments! As to your questions...

2 weeks? I think because they needed time to prepare and make sure the bad guy would get there.
Family? I'm sure they were told the truth. You couldn't have them thinking he was dead, especially Parker.
Why? I'm guessing he was a very bad guy but we'll never know because they didn't give us the episode devoted to it like they should have.
Why Booth? Because that was the best way to do it, TV wise. Booth got to be a hero, Brennan got to help him fight, everyone who mattered saw the truth at once, and she got to slug him publicly.
B's emotions - Brennan is afraid of love. Anger is safe. Slowly she's coming to accept love but she's not there yet.
How'd she get in? The fake rock she mentioned held a key.

Laura:

Thank you for the respectful disagreement. I posted one way I think it could be rationalized but that's definitely not all that's out there.

Posting a defense of the plot (I have no problem with Zack as the apprentice) is not the same as agreeing to how it went down though. I really don't like how much was crammed into this episode. They're filming up through the 5th episode of next season now. We could have easily had a finale that stretched out the first part of this one - dealt with the faked death, gave more 'grieving' time to Brennan, told us about that bad guy, had all the great Booth/Brennan moments and then at the very end told us Gormogon was back.

But they didn't. And we can't change it now. All we can do is hope they listen to the fans and don't drop something on us like this again in this abrupt manner.

I may accept Zack as the apprentice but god I've have downright LOVED for Sweets to be it. There are far fewer people who like Sweets vs those who like Zack.

laura said...

Evi:

Oh, yes! I couldn't agree more! If they would have stretched the finale into multiple episodes, they could have done wonders for the plot and all the events that took place. At least things would have been less confusing and more thought out. I know I would have loved to see a more indepth look into how Brennan was handling Booth's "death" over that 2 week span. Plus, with having multiple episodes, we might have been able to see some signs of change in Zack (though, I doubt it since he hasn't acted out of his norm the whole time) that would make him being the apprentice a little more convincing.

I don't really understand how people who like Zack could not want him back just on the basis that he killed a guy. I do want Zack to come back. I know that he did something that we consider wrong; killing an innocent man is not something people let go of easily. Or is it? I see it this way: Zack killed that man because he felt it was the "right thing to do" (for lack of a better explanation, sorry) and justified it because that is what he believed was right. Do we not have soldiers killing innocent people in wars? Nobody ever thinks badly about soldiers who commit murders in war because they consider it justified on behalf of their patriotism to their country. Zack was doing the exact same thing, but instead of patriotism to his country, his patriotism was to the Gormogon and he was eradicating the enemy. If everyone believed in Gormogon's beliefs, then Zack's actions would have been justified just as soldiers are. I'm not saying that he doesn't need to be punished or whatever because the law is the law. I just think that people shouldn't think any less of him...especially the people (like me) who are huge fans of Zack. The only problem with him coming back is that I'm afraid of what's going to happen to him in psychological prison (I can't remember what that is really called, any help?). I don't think he will respond well to all the analyzing of his mental state, along with psychologists trying to convince him that there is something wrong with the way he acts/thinks and making him be different. I don't want Zack to change (well, the Gormogon belief stuff can change). I like him for his quirky, awkward, and interesting self. I don't think I can handle seeing him again and him not being himself (if that makes any sense at all). I already have the memories of his destroyed hands covered in blood and melted gloves with a look of pure shock on his face, how pitiful he looked lying in the hospital, and him crying when Brennan was talking to him scarred into my mind for the rest of my life, I don't need him completely changing who he is added to that. :(

Evi said...

It's not that Zack killed someone, it's that he killed someone despite everything they work for at their jobs. The whole reason this group is together is for science and to help Booth catch the bad guys and right in the middle of that Zack killed someone, specifically someone Booth already tried to save. That is pretty different, in my mind, to people charged with a duty like soldiers.

If they can find a believable and positive way to include Zack I'd love to still have him around but I'm just not sure they can. I really dislike the whole Psych Ward mad scientist/killer consultant thing and I sincerely hope they don't do it.

I will respect the writers if they take what they've done and stick with it. If they try to come up with some odd plots to get Zack back to the lovable kid just because people are upset I think it will turn out badly. If they come into next season with the idea that they've done something unpopular but they're going to show the fans why Bones is still the amazing show we love then I think they can keep it all together and do a great job.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm.... it seems to me a lot of what appears to be loose ends are actually due to the fact that Brennan likes to ignore difficult emotions. She just puts it aside in her mind and forgets about it, and so we don't get back to a lot of things either. And so we start to notice these things aren't being taken care of and therefore it will make sense for us when Brennan has her breaking point when she actually has to deal with it all. I just hope the bath tub incident was just a prelude to something more concrete...

Also, Brennan's father and Zack.. Both wonderful examples of likeable killers. But I'm thinking that Brennan implicated herself and then her coworker is arrested.. This can't look good for the Jeffersonian.

Willy said...

This episode was one grand cop-out, a slap in the face to those of us who watched the show from the beginning, watching the characters grow and interact.

All the major characters were so far out-of-character in this episode, I don't know where to start. But, first is Brennan's non-reaction to Booth's alleged death. And, last, was Zach's "apprenticeship". Puhleeze. Zach stabs to death a security guard, perhaps someone he even knew, all because of some supposed personality defect? What, the past few years establishing Zach's personality was all a chimera? How do any of us watch future episodes without a sense of betrayal?

And, then, there's Sweets, one of the worst characters in all of television, a snarky, thoroughly detestable mamby-pamby personality, with a phony as a two-cent piece job, created to give the writers an easy way out of exploring the relationship between Bones and Booth.

Finally, not only were the characters not themselves, but the plot devices were cheap as hell. A no-name Gormogast. Booth's fake death. And, of course, Addy's descent into hell.

I, for one, won't be watching this show any longer. I'm sure the next thing they'll do is break up Angela and Hodgins, thereby shattering what's left of the camaraderie of the Jeffersonian team. Not that there's anything left of it with Zach gone anyway.

CupcakeBean said...

Okay, you're creeping me out a little. I think you have gotten inside my head and written down exactly what I was feeling but hadn't thought through completely. Everything you said made perfect sense to me.

It's interesting to think about how all the characters have evolved throughout the series and how each person's evolution has affected what happened to Zack. You are right: We are not supposed to think of Zack as the bad guy. Despite what he did (which he believed was for the good of humankind), he loved his friends and didn't want to hurt any of them. While he didn't die in a heroic way (a trap the writers could have easily fallen in to), he is still leaving us a hero.

Phaith said...

I found that your analysis of Zack's evolution was well thought-out. I even have my own thoughts on it (check out my blog...). I would also like to agree with what Laura said about Zack killing the man because he thought it was right, and how it was compared to soldiers in Iraq killing innocent bystanders. Very good.

ADDhole said...

Alright, Children. *sigh* I started this comment string weeks ago with "argument accepted." I lied. Flat out went against my own judgment. My opinion at present is exactly unchanged from my initial conclusion and I have not bothered to read all of the comments or refresh my read of the argument provided by our hostess . . . Therefore, I may repeat the thoughts of others without realizing I have done so.

"Argument accepted," is exactly what sticks in my craw about the development of Zack into a killer. Zack is totally influenced by a group of peers which he respects to a sufficiently high enough degree to accept that his relationship with them authenticates the veracity of their claims and opinions. Even his own discoveries in the lab were always tabled until his peers had opportunity to review and associate his work with their own. A chance meeting and subsequent courtship by a psychopath - no matter how reasonable and rational the argument would have been tested and put to far more scrutiny. Zack would have proposed the postulates of Gormogon's premise to his colleagues and the whole story would have come out before he acted to kill. He would have had a cursory exploration of factious behavior among secret societies with Hodgins, a reflection upon the social acceptability with Angela, a declaration of his position with Cam and awaited her maternal approval or disapproval of his thoughts, and the discussion he and Brennan had in his hospital room would have occurred in the lab - under a microscope before he ever stabbed the lobbyist.

This was a hack-job. The whole foreshortened season and all other such excuses acknowledged - had this been developed over two seasons the outcome would not have ever occurred. A character that recognizes that Christmas is a family event where a dozen brothers and sisters makes him feel loved rather than excluded does not become a loner and a killer. A tour in the Gulf does not alter only the part of a rational mind for judgment as to the value of a human life and not impact his interaction in noticeable ways. Zack points out contradictory behavior in his friends. He would have automatically and audibly challenged the profile of the Gormogon killer in the lab.

Thrown together, implausible, rubbish . . . Have I left anything out? Ah, Yes. Contrived, lame, poorly executed, ridiculous, "jump the shark" stupid.

Evi said...

In Season 3 he wasn't nearly as involved with them as before. He wasn't asking the questions he did in season 1. He wasn't interacted. I believe the plot was rushed by the strike but not ill conceived.

My belief is that Iraq + all his important connections moving in other directions lead to him no longer using the lab people as societal compasses.

ADDhole said...

Then you're wrong and David Boreanaz isn't as pretty as you think . . . ;^P

Evi said...

Someone didn't eat his Wheaties today.

ADDhole said...

I think evidence that supports your claim he had become more of an independent thinker has merit. That's just too much of a protracted leap, all the way to killer, however.

Your argument is partially supported by Zack's statement, "Perhaps my experience in Iraq changed me and I've become a man of action," with his stabbing of the melon. That behavior would fit the actions of a man that has already stabbed a human being - why hesitate? Still, too much too soon.

And for your information, Grampa, hasn't had Wheaties since Ted William's picture was removed from the box . . .

laura said...

I agree, addhole. A short stay with the military (not even going into war) could not possibly change someone's personality or their views on the value of human life. Zack didn't go through anything traumatic enough to alter his mind or personality. Booth was a sniper in an actual war and killed numerous people, but he still values human life. Zack didn't even get as far as to get deployed and he's the one who was negatively affected by war? I doubt it. And, I honestly don't think that someone who was sent home as a product of "failure to assimilate" would turn around and be so easily swayed into following a psycho cannibal cult leader. Zack was actually very willing to go to war when he got his letter and he told Hodgins that he wanted to help his country, but despite all of that, he still failed to assimilate. Zack hated murderers and dedicated his life to catching them. He reveled in the fact that they were, as he says, "crime fighters". And yet, he suddenly decided to assimilate to the gormogon's cult (or "secret society"). If he couldn't assimilate to something he actually had the want and willingness to do, then I don't think the could assimilate to something that he hates. It just doesn't make sense. If Zack was becoming more of an independent person, then wouldn't that mean that he would be even less likely to conform to the Gormogon? If he was an independent person, he definately wouldn't follow someone who does the very thing that he has worked hard to fight against. Plus, Zack is above and beyond incredibly intelligent, there's no doubt in my mind that he would have seen the fault in the Gormogon's logic.

Also, I'd like to know how someone who couldn't even kill some flesh-eating beetles because "they had names" kill a human being.

Wendy said...

People change and Zack changed quite a lot, esp post Iraq. Season 3 Zack wouldn't make a joke like "eco-warrior look" or "one crack assistant" either.

ADDhole said...

Nope, Wendy - Laura's right (of course, because she agrees with me). The changes you so easily accept that Zack could make have none of the requisite trauma or even sufficient amount of time required for such a dramatic alteration of his psyche. It took you longer to assume your real name on your blog than it took Zack to become comfortable taking a human life.

Even granting you that killing people is easier than exposing your true self doesn't tie it up in such a neat little bundle as your defense of your position insists.

It's as lame as Brennan's quick fix dialog to get Zack to realize the errors in his reasoning. If his personality can toggle back and forth *THAT* easily he'd forget how to tie his shoes between the left and the right one.

ADDhole said...

Zack: If you knew what I know, you'd understand. You'd be proud of me.
Brennan: I've always been proud of you, Zack. I've never met anyone more rational or intelligent. But there's a fault in your contract.
Zack: With all due respect, you aren't cognizant of the writer's logic.
Brennan: Assumption number 1: Secret negotiations exist.
Zack: Accepted. The Actor's Guild has been explaining this to me for years.
Brennan: Assumption number 2: The human experience is adversely affected by union strikes.
Zack: Accepted.
Brennan: Assumption number 3: Attacking and killing members of the cast will have an degrading (worsening) affect on the viewing experience.
Zack: Accepted.
Brennan: All of your assumptions are built on a first principle, Zack. To wit: the historical ratings and winning your time slot as a whole is more important than a single person's life.
Zack: Yes.
Brennan: Yet you risked it all so you wouldn't hurt a returning character.

Wendy said...

Funny.

I think Hart Hanson understands his job well.

That's probably too neat a statement for you as well.

ADDhole said...

I was wondering how long until the Hart Hanson fan club president returned.

Wendy said...

Someone sure is bored this morning.

ADDhole said...

I'm bored 24/7. But, if we must blame someone - other than the writers, the strike, and Hart Hanson - it has to be, Laura, for being the voice of reason and getting me all fired up. Since she's not here to protest or defend herself - that makes her a terrific scapegoat . . kind of like Zack.

Wendy said...

As we're not Zack or the people who created him we can't know 100%. You can either accept what Zack did and try to reason it out based on everything we know or you can say that the writer's botched it. You are entitled to whatever side you want to take there.

I chose to keep my thoughts about the writer/showrunner actions separate from this particular discussion about Zack because no matter if you hate what they did it's not something they can simply redo. The fact is that they do answer to people higher than them, people who only care about the bottom line. If some high VP at Fox tells them they HAVE to put on Britney Spears next season to spike ratings then it will happen, no matter what the writers think about it.

Setting aside the culpability of the writers, what's left is to break down the actions which is what I've done. Disagree all you want, as long as your respectful.

ADDhole said...

Sorry. Too many restrictions. I don't want to play nice.

Normally, one could argue the merits of the episode sans inclusion of the impact of the strike and management. The only reason many, including myself, have had to include them in the discussion, in this particular case, is that they fell down with the direction taken. I have some emotional investment in this because I loved the character they've seen the need to remove. I've had time to get past that knee-jerk reaction so my criticism isn't, "Wah - they took away my toy . . ." It's, "What happened and HOW?"

The foreshortened season took away a lot from the creative side. I am pleased - overall - with what they were able to accomplish despite large obstacles. Story wise (which is what I really care about and I know you do, as well)I am disappointed with the conclusions.

What's done is done and the show isn't ruined because of this. I'm just left with unresolved bits and pieces and I watch shows to get away from such realities as loose ends and being stuck with the residuals of circumstance.

Who will blow up the lab, now? How much less involved will Hodgins be without his straight man? King of the Lab means nothing, now. If you "unfocus your eyes" there aren't any patterns left to be found without Zack.

And . . .WHY did you have to even suggest the Brittney Spears thing - even as an outrageous example? Now that it's been breathed to the ether someone with influence will think it's a brilliant idea.

You have power - please be more careful with it in the future!

laura said...

The fact that Zack is a murderer and an apprentice to a psycho cannibal is not valid. I can't accept it until there is sufficient enough evidence to support it and make me understand how it could be possible. As of right now, I don't understand the reasoning behind Zack's actions and decisions. There is more evidence supporting the fact that Zack would not be a killer, than there is for Zack being a killer.

I know that our blog discussions and debates will not change what happened nor will it change what the writers have planned for the future of the show. I post my opinions only for the sake of debate and discussion.

addhole, though you did use me as a scapegoat while I wasn't here to defend myself (you jerk), that rewrite of the Zack and Brennan dialogue was pretty much the most amazing and funny thing I've read. If you're going to compare me being a scape-goat to Zack being a scape-goat, you might as well blow my hands up and put me in a psychiatric prison too (those jerks...I'm still pretty bitter about that).

I'm definately going to miss Zack's awkward sexual questions, him wearing the suit that makes him look like The Great Gazoo, and his hilarious one-liners. "Be kind, rewind!"

And, the only way that Britney Spears would get to be on Bones is if they found her rotting corpse and discovered that she was killed from listening to K-fed's music.

ADDhole said...

Laura is brilliant, can't be wrong if she agrees with me, and, called me a jerk . . . I think I'm in LUV . . .

I was trying to come up with the title for the Britney/K-fed episode and so far all I've got is, "The Boob in the Box."

Anyone who can come up with "the Great Gazoo" surely has a good idea for the title?

laura said...

Aww, I'm very flattered. But, you do know what they say, "great minds think alike!" So, it's not surprising that we agree with each other.

Hmm...The only episode titles that I could come up with for the Britney/K-fed episode are "The Hoe In The Shed" and "The Dime On The Floor." I've recently learned that when a rapper says, "looking for a dime," it means he is looking for a cheap woman (aka the dime)!

Phaith said...

Also, in Episode 1, Booth mentioned Zack's need for purpose...just thought I'd throw that out there.

ADDhole said...

Both of those episode titles rock, Laura!

Phaith, That's true - as well as after Zack's return when Booth pointed out he was needing to explore the world like Brennan had done when she left the lab.

However, I don't think that Zack's ability to observe patterns and his general skepticism concerning what people base their arguments and decisions upon takes a backseat to such things.

Here's another possible episode title for the brit/K-fed debacle - The Tuna in the Can.

Phaith said...

Another Brit/Fed episode title: "The Diva in the Bathtub."

addhole, you're right in saying that such things do not take a backseat. I suppose the only thing that is constantly bothering me is that Zack could be coerced into thinking that murder is right, especially after all of the murderers he helped put away. He should have used that rationality and intelligence to realize that what he did was wrong.

Gr. My blog actually goes into detail on this...I don't feel like re-writing all of it again...

>_<

etta said...

I totally agree with everything you guys have said. I totally think this was a plotline that wasn't supposed to be wrapped up over one season. Something like this could have continued - a true devolution. 15 episodes were not enough and yet the producers did it so well. He also could have been traumatised by iraq. It sounds awful but the christmas episode from season 1 just makes me want to cry now - where all his family come to visit, it just makes me sad that all that love for him just didn't get through. Sad

Miki said...

I was first very surprised and impressed by the well-written reviews of the episodes by EVI, however I was even more impressed by the other viewer's comments. They all seems so deeply-thought(well, most of them) ans also very persuasive. I hope I would be able to take part in such debating soon, after the new episode's launch.

PS.B/B couple is one of the main reason why I smile these days. :)
I hope it is to you to ♡

Wendy said...

The debate never ends around here!

And Laura, I like your Britney Spears episode suggestions and I hope to God they never even think about her. =)

Anonymous said...

Just a funny thought"scene opens" White room with many people walking around and dragging their feet, in the far corner one person sitting all alone, hair messed up and a white hospital gown and fuzzy slippers, the camera approaches to the face and we realise it's Zack and he turns and growls and says " I ate his liver with my mac and cheese and my cup a soup" camera pulls away and fades to black...ha ! ha! ha!

Phaith said...

That would be so scary...except...Zack isn't insane. He just took that so he wouldn't end up in prison...I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, Wendy.

Wendy said...

Correct, he's not insane and he didn't cannibalize anyone. He's not a healthy adult either but I foresee a far less disturbing picture of Zack's life in the mental ward. But then you'll see more of my thoughts on that in script form soon. I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise! =)

Anonymous said...

Didn't mean any offense by the "cup of soup" comment it was to show how ridiculous it would be. I was devastated when i saw the last few episodes, after the xmas "kiss" episode,seems that Bones lost a certain flavour. I own Bones dvd season 1 and 2 and i bought the episodes of season 3 from the net, i watched every episode from all seasons and i still can't see Zack as being a killer, my first thoughts while i was watching the final show when it aired that it might be the same storyline with Zack that it was with Bones and Booth "fake his death to catch a killer". To my great disappointment it was no where near what i was expecting. Poor judgement and bad writing put a huge hole in the way i see Bones. A bit of advice for the writers from me "I would rather you wrote one storyline per episode then to write one that needs more then one episode to conclude" this way they wont butcher any other episodes...

laura said...

I'll tell you how season 4 is going start. Zack is going to escape from the psychiatric prison and hide out at Hodgins' house. Or, maybe, fake his own death and live a secret life under a new identity like Elvis Presley and Kurt Cobain! hahaha! But seriously, that first one is going to happen. I mean, that's what I would do if I was a super genius.

I don't understand how his family couldn't have gotten through to him. I mean, he describes the meaning of Christmas as, "Brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews; forty people who love you and are happy to see you." That sounds like somebody who has a family that got through to him. He even stated that he was a rationalist until he was around his mother, then he was a christian. It sounds to me like he really took his family into consideration and loved them.

Anonymous said...

As to my post - better late than never I suppose as this may be general knowledge by now... it has been openly admitted that Zach's character was supposed to have had more of the Iraq story and that he was, in fact, supposed to be a VICTIM of Gormogon. Apparently, all of that went out the window with the strike. His ultimate revelation as the apprentice was just a hashed ending to try and get the audience's attention and wrap things up. Which makes all of the arguments rather moot I think. There has been some mention of his character returning and being similar to "Hannibal Lecter". All in all, a huge disappointment. As a fan of the Kathy Reich's series of books, I was initially put off by the discrepencies between the books and the show - and yet there was a certain charm that kept me tuning in each week. This fiasco has really made me question whether to continue watching it or not. Perhaps I should just stick to the books.

Wendy said...

Hey there, anon! A lot has definitely come to light since I made this post but one thing you didn't mention that does matter in what you said:

The show, other than the name, was never supposed to imitate the books. The show is supposed to more closely imitate Kathy Reichs actual life. I posted an interview recently, this past weekend, that directly addressed that, straight from Emily's mouth.

I hope you don't give up on this show! Give Hart a chance to prove how great Bones still is =)

Lara said...

I am obsessed with the show, and did watch the episode, but are we absolutely certain that Zack actually killed the lobbyist? Without a doubt? Or maybe he just made the dentures etc.? Is it possible that there were more than just Zack as an apprentice?

Please forgive me if this is totally obsolete - I missed the first few episodes and am trying to catch up now.

Thanks!

louise said...

Lara - after Caroline talks to him, she says "Zack confessed to killing the lobbyist - stabbed him in the heart".

So, unless it turns out that he only said that (but I doubt they'll go back to that), it looks like he did kill him.

I think the storyline would have worked better if he was a brand new apprentice - had made the dentures etc, but not actually killed anyone yet. Especially given such a short timeline. But wishful thinking I guess!

Anonymous said...

I tried to read as much of this discussion as possible, but it's lengthy, so forgive me if I missed it. But I never saw anyone mention Zack's attitude toward Brennan when her father was on trial. She was supposed to be his mentor. He obviously cared about her opinion and valued their relationship, and yet he was completely cold and unfeeling about her father getting sent to prison and possibly getting the death penalty. He saw it as a competition. He was completely detached and unsympathetic. I can totally buy that he could kill someone he didn't know or care about if someone presented him with a reasonable argument. I also agree with you about him not having the same support or guidance in the 3rd season because of other relationships developing. It might have been mashed together because of the strike, but I think the writers did fine with what little time they had.

Mom2ABnTB said...

56 comments to this post. I'm not surprised :) I agree with your reasons...and the ending to this post was right on. :)

Anonymous said...

Something about the Zack-killing-the-lobbyist thing seems so wrong. He had definitely changed somehow when he came back from Iraq. I agree with previous posters that a short stay in Iraq probably would not be able to change someone to a murderer. In the episode where he was going to leave he says, "The president is asking for me specifically." Maybe he was actually on some kind of top-secret mission that turned him into a trained assassin. Perhaps, the government tapped him to be a mole within the Jeffersonian and put him in touch with Gormagon. I realize this X-Files kind of backdoor story would be cheap (though Hodgins would pee his pants in glee), but the whole finale felt really cheap and rushed to me. Besides, David Duchovny has directed the show before.
;^)

I also read the fox.com summary of The Knight on the Grid and it says that at the end of the episode a 15 year old boy jumps out of the closet. They have given away a villian identity before. The Gravedigger was named in one summary, but that was later retracted so the writers can name a different person as the Gravedigger. So... maybe the apprentice isn't really Zack. In the hospital when Booth asks for "The Master's" name, Zack says, "The Apprentice is expendable. I'm expendable." That could be interpreted to mean there is an apprentice other than Zack.

I just have trouble with the whole damn thing. Zack is not a troubled youth (which is a common theme of the apprentices we know of). Also, why was he so different when he came back from Iraq if he was only there a couple months and didn't go to battle at all? Who was this random Gormagon person they found? Not to mention, it was a horrible idea to let him die. An alive Gorgamon could have provided, if nothing else, a bit more... something. I feel like the writers had reached the minimum number of pages for a short story assignment and just wanted to get done so they could go out and have fun (like we all did at least once in high school).

I want Zack back and I want Goodman back. I would also like to know what in the world is going on with Bones' dad and brother. Now that they're not in prison and on the run they don't factor in her life at all? Why? Also... what the heck did Cam mean when she said she always knew Zack would cause her pain? That was such an odd statement to throw in if it isn't going to have some significance. She was so weird the whole end of the episode.

Kit said...

The choice to make Zack the apprentice seems illogical to me. After rewatching the Gormogon episodes, it simply doesn't make sense. One of my main issues is as follows: when we see the lobbyist killed, the man who jumps out of the closet to stab him is clearly not Zack. Additionally, in the same montage we see Zack in the lab, clad in his labcoat, working on the silver skeleton. Therefore my reasoning is this: Zack could not have killed the lobbyist. Yes, he could very easily have been aiding the Gormogon. However, as he stated himself in The Pain in the Heart, the apprentice is expendable.

This is the only way it can make sense in my mind: Gormogon was only using Zack as a means to an end, and has another apprentice that Zack is unaware of. I respect the writers and I understand if they continue with their idea that Zack is the only apprentice and that Zack did kill the lobbyist; however, part of why I watch the show is because of how much sense it makes, both in respect to science and to human relationships. For me, the idea that Zack killed the lobbyist is irrational and incorrect, and so some of the enjoyment of the show would be gone (at least in my point of view) if they continue with this plot.

Fortunately for myself, that's what fanfiction is for.

Louise said...

Sorry, but, unless the writers decide to change their minds again, Zack DID kill the lobyist.

The reason the episode description and final scene of the Knight on the Grid are incorrect is simple ... the producers/writers had not decided at that point that Zack was going to be the apprentice.

Yes, that does show a failure to tell the story properly. However, we're now supposed to believe that the person that jumped out of the closet IS Zack.

It will be interesting to see if they make any amendments to this episode in the DVD.

Anonymous said...

I had only seen the first season when I found out how Zack Addy turned out to be an apprentice to a cannibalistic killer. I still can't see Zack as being swayed by this Gormogon guy-even with a rational argument. The season had Zach being a part of a large family- talking sentimentally about the meaning of Christmas being with a large family and having 40 people love you. His family had visited him that Christmas when they were on lockdown and he was smiling. And when the National Security Agency wanted to check the security risk of all those working in the lab- I remember the lady asking if he would be willing to divulge secret information if she were to make a rational, irrefutable argument- Zack's response was that he would check with Angela and Dr.Brennan first. Maybe Booth too if Booth would ever deign to talk to him.

LKM said...

I agree with Bruce. The jump from "entirely rational" to "accepting murder as a means to an end" does not make sense to me, and I felt slightly insulted by the show for basically telling me that being too logical may somehow be bad.

Personally, I feel it makes logical sense to accept and adhere to the major, generally accepted laws (such as not hurting or killing other people), even if each individual person does not agree with each individual law. The reason for this is that we rely on other people to do so. To keep up social order, it only makes sense to do the same. As an example for this, in the series, Zack accepts the rule that he has to clear any experiments with Cam, even if he already knows that the experiment makes logical sense and that she will allow the experiment to be executed.

A logical person realizes that any vigilante - even one who is selflessly willing to sacrifice a few to save many - is a danger to the society he exists in. There is a reason why vigilantism is not accepted in any functioning society: vigilantism creates chaos and uncertainty and hurts more people than it could ever help.

But even if you accept the premise that logic may make a person ignore the law and turn into a serial killer, Zack's specific actions make little sense. What's the logical sense in assembling a skeleton from parts of killed people? That is a highly emotional MO. Furthermore, he clearly realizes that his friends will find him out, yet he is emotionally attached to them, as his actions show. If he deems it logically necessary to kill people, would he not do so in a way which would allow him to remain in his position?

I found the season ending compelling and emotionally strong, but I strongly disagree with the underlying message.

Peter said...

What is being ignored here is that Zack was already aware that the existing system was compromised, and therefore had to be subverted. Hodgens' conspiracy theories were reasonable conclusions, based on the evidence. Like in The Verdict, an logical conclusion can be drawn from the evidence, that is not correct, when the evidence lacks appropriate context.
According to the philosopher Thomas Hobbes, the state exists as a transfer of the collective right to inflict violence upon others, so that no individual may exercise it upon another. When the laws of a state no longer protect the citizen body from harm, those laws are considered void.
With this premise, and the enlightenment regarding the adverse effects that secret societies have upon a society, the only logical course of action would be to remove the destabilizing societies, and restore the validity of the state.

There was not a flaw in "The Master's" logic regarding the commision of the murders, he simply failed to account for the fact that while Zack is primarily a rational being, no human is completely rational. A Rational being would have written off Hodgens as an acceptable loss.

*SPOILER*

Zack didn't kill anyone, he simply blames himself for revealing the location of the lobbyist to the old Apprentice, before The Master killed him, and took Zack on.

Anonymous said...

I randomly found this, and after reading I realized you forgot to mention one thing about Zack; He most likely has Asperger's Syndrome.

If you don't know what it is, look it up. It is very obvious from his inability to understand human social interaction to his obscenely high intelligence.

Anonymous said...

I agree that it would have made more sense to incorperate the idea of vigilantism for Zack's character because it may have given him a societal release of some sort. However, I find the idea of him being a killer more intriguing because it really challenges a thought process. Each and every one of us has the potential to commit such an act of murder. Zack did not become a serial killer, he only murdered one being-the lobyist. He also covered up the murders of his master for quite some time and made the wolf dentures for gormagon. This also allowed me to channel into my emotional self. I am also an extrodinarily logical person and the situation addressed my belief system that the human experience as a whole is more important than a single life. I have begun to change my theory on that on the basis of Zack's willingness to love Hodgins enough to find a way to spare his life. In this, I am grateful for this opportunity to learn my logical flaw.
In response to several other's, when Bones shot Pam (Booth's stalker) in the neck, no one approached her because first of all, Pam shot a federal agent. And secondly, Bones has the ability to compartmentalize any situation no matter how great or small. The logical perspective that Booth and Bones should have had an emotional discussion while Booth was in the bath suggests a character deviation. Bones is too rational to allow herself to have any emotional conversation because she knows that emotions are simply certain chemical reactions and different fusions to create a response to any given stimuli. She found it unnecessary to blind her will with feelings and used her rational to explain the situation to Booth the best way she knew how.

Anonymous said...

I have a theory that Zach was merely trying to cover for Hodgens. I'm not saying that Hodgens should have been the apprentice. I'm saying that all the other cast members suspected him. Zach knew that, whether or not it really was Hodgens, he felt the need to protect him. If you go back to the hospital scene when Zack is trying to tell Hodgens something before Hodgens starts pressing the pain killer button, it seems as if he is starting to explain this! He starts off by saying that only he and Hodgens could have known how to access the chemicals in the explosion. Hodgens pressed the pain killer button before Zach could finish! Plus, Zach would have known that he would have been caught being a forensic anthropologist himself. He's too intelligent to make such massive mistakes. And recall that Zach RARELY makes mistakes! I still think it's Sweets who is the real apprentice. I can't wait til season 4!

Emilie79fr said...

I like Zack, he was really funny and generated Brennan's best moments of tenderness...

I've made a music video on the Gormogon's episodes and Zack's last moments in the show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtXAzNJPq0

Anonymous said...

Recently I started rewatching episodes from the beginning..and i realized how much i missed Zack. I agree with Brennan in spite of everything, I loved Zack.. I think there were a few holes in the storyline but all in all it was a moving and heartbreaking storyline..

Tiffany said...

Now, I am an avid bones fan. I am especially an Addy fan. And here is my main problem with the entire 'apprentice' theory making sense.

When Gormogon recruited, he recruited "disturbed" boys. It was Sweets who told Brennan he would recruit "disturbed" boys, and Arthur Graves, the former master, found his apprentices from the Social Services he worked for.

In the christmas episode The Man In The Fallout Shelter, we clearly see Zack's strong family. He wasn't in the system. He wasn't a widows son.

Trust me, I totally get where you're coming from. I just think they had to fudge a few facts to make Zack fit. I definitely don't think he was created for the sole purpose of being the Apprentice.

Anonymous said...

I absolutely loved your post! Congrats

Meagan said...

After reading through these comments, which are really great by the way, I did have one thought that really got to me. When we see the lobbyist being attacked/killed, the killer (Zack) vehemently attacks the lobbyist. I just can't see the rational Zack I know from watching all these episodes doing that. I don't see why he did it in the manner he did, screaming like a "true" (for lack of a better adjective) killer, a killer wanting to scare his victim. Being the rational person he is I feel like Zack would have killed the lobbyist in the most efficient manner possible, but instead he killed him as a "true" killer would. I don't know if that makes sense, but I was truly shocked to find out it was Zack. I guess I didn't want it to be him so I didn't recognize many of the very obvious hints/evidence such as the water coming from Hodgins house etc. I love this show regardless, and it makes me laugh a lot while also engaging my brain, not something you get from a lot of shows. I really enjoyed all of the comments, they made me think :]

Meagan said...

I made the previous ^ comment, haha, and now having started on season four I see that I was correct and that Zack didn't "truly" kill the lobbyist. Good to know my instincts were right.

Anonymous said...

Im still mad that he left and Ive been sad about it for a while now, I hope he comes back because he never killed anyone. I hope Sweets gets him out, it will bring the show back to life. Also, I think that all Zach needed was a rational explanation from Gormagon because that's all that he needs to be convinced. Personally, Zack is my favorite character in Bones, and Brennan and Hodgins aren't the same without him the show is kinda getting cheesy if they dont want Bones to go down the drain they need to find a way to bring him back hands down

Simon said...

Great to see other people are so interested in bones. I just finished season 3 (Bones is not one of the regular series on tv here in Holland) and have one question about the explosion where Zack got hurt.

If he is the apprentice, who stole the half real/half silver skeleton out of the vault? He was hurt and brought to the hospital, so he couldn't have done it. Did Gormagon have acces to the vault?

Can't wait to get season 4, hope Zack is indeed coming back!!

Mary P said...

Hello all! Believe it or not, I just discovered "Bones" a few weeks ago. I've been a hardcore CSI and Law & Order fan for many years, and "Bones" for some reason never interested me. But, TNT started showing re-runs, I watched a few, and was hooked :-) Since then, I've bought the DVDs of the past seasons and was very, very upset to see Zack cut in Season 3.

I do have a couple of questions. I haven't watched Season 4 yet, but my best friend did give me a "spoiler" that Zack admits to Sweets that he actually didn't even kill the lobbyist. Is this correct? I am told Zack chose to do this because if he didn't confess to committing a murder, he was afraid he might be sent to prison instead of the mental hospital, and he didn't think he'd fair well in prison.

If all of this is true, I do think it really keeps the door open for bringing Zack back (and, I hope they do!!). If they wanted to, Sweets could tell the truth about Zack, and the DA could decline to prosecute. After all, Zack DID give them Gormogan, you know. That should count for something.

Regardless, I do miss Zack, and I just can't believe they cut him. I think his character was one of the strongest, and most loved, on the show, and the characters introduced since then don't even compare. Hopefully, Hart Hanson will get some sense and bring him back before the "Bones" series comes to an end.

Anonymous said...

I loved this season, both because of the emotional development in the characters and how closely related the cases were to their own lives.

However, now watching the fourth season I have to say that I miss Zack Addy. I agree with many of the others who have commented: That while Zack is a plausible suspect it leaves a big hole in the group when we find he actually is Gormogon's apprentice.

Yes, it is all logical and makes sense. So, like Zack thought, that should be enough. But emotionally, I keep coming back to Zack. He added a lot to the show that I am not entirely sure they can replicate in future seasons.

Anonymous said...

I think it is a huge mistake for the producer to discharge Zack from Bones. They to try replace Zack with at least 4 guy, but none of them working good.

Thank God they realize it and take Zack back to the scene, and finally we find out that Zack never kill the guy.

Miss Zack!

Anonymous said...

Were there any known external reasons (contract negotiations, money dispute, unhappiness with the role, etc) that influenced Zack getting written out?

I have not read this post in its entirety but from what I have read, there is no discussion of that possibility. I am so unhappy with losing Zack!

Sexibexi said...

I really hate evryone that think zack is a terrible person for what he did. And those who wish sweets was the apprentice. Beingbjn season six right now sweetsbis totally important becuase he brings out all the feelings between boothh and bones.

Also Zack was written off becuase he had an offer to join some prestigious opera on the uk. They were going to write him off at the end of season two but it turned out that the opera house didn't need him quite yet so they had to comebup with another way.

Chuck said...

I hate they let Zach go. I was an avid bones fan till then. I don't think they could bring him back if they wanted to. If you remember towards the beginning of the season he was not going to be offered a permanent job because of his long hair and attire. It would discredit him in court cases. Now whether he is sane or not he could never testify in court with any credibility again. I hate it but there it is. Hey, he could come out as a consultant like so many inmates do. Just an idea.

Anonymous said...

I think any extremely logical and rational person would find the idea that they (or any other logical person) could be persuaded, through logic, to commit murder utterly laughable. At the very least, I think I really found the flaw in the "First Principle": the First Principle, that the historical human experience as a whole is more important than a single person's life, itself implies a more generalized "Zeroth Principle": a social entity is qualitatively greater than an individual entity. By that assumption, a secret society as a whole is more important than a single member of said secret society. Murdering individual members of a secret society is an exercise in futility. It's pointless, merely symbolic. Moreover, any sufficiently intelligent person would recognize an inherent logical fallacy that leads to murder: specifically, the False Dichotomy fallacy. Even if I accepted the three assumptions, as well as the First Principle, I would recognize that while attacking and killing members of a secret society would improve the human condition, it may not necessarily be the ONLY way to do so, and there may well be another solution to the problem that does not risk imprisonment (a state which is highly counterproductive to any goal). If I can spot the holes in the logic, so could Zack. And that's assuming that he truly does respond only to logic and nothing else, but that is demonstrably false. Despite his role in the show as the Straw Vulcan, he had frequently been shown to be highly sensitive and compassionate. As someone else pointed out, he didn't want to kill any beetles, because they had names. He was also shown to be very emotionally affected by the death of children. And frankly, I also don't buy that going to Iraq would traumatize him such that he would become a murderer. If he was traumatized in Iraq, I believe if anything it would push him further in the other direction, and make him MORE sensitive to violence. Trauma reinforces your predilections, it doesn't reverse them. Witnessing war in Iraq would just exacerbate the way Zack already felt: violence is an ugly, unpleasant thing, and doesn't solve anything.

If you ask me, your arguments for why Zack could become a killer are flawed, as is the logic at work within the show itself. The arguments are not entirely invalid, but...shaky. Regardless, to me it still feels like hasty justification for a bad decision. And it was a bad decision. I understand originally he was meant to be a victim of the Gormogon. I think that would also have been a bad decision. It sounds like one way or the other, the producers/writers intended for the viewers to be shocked, which is a poor reason to do anything.

Of course, as of the season 4 episode, "The Perfect Pieces in the Purple Pond", it's been revealed that he himself did not actually, physically commit the murder. He confessed to it because he feels responsible. This feels like backpedaling, but at least it appears to be backpedaling that could theoretically set up a reparation of the damage caused by the original mistake. First of all, I CAN be persuaded to believe that he could be logically convinced to passively aide Gormogon. Secondly, the notion that the confession was due to the fact that he felt responsible is more in keeping with his previous characterization.

Anyway, I repeat that no logical person would ever believe this particular twist. The only person that could be convinced that Zack's (alleged) pure logic-based belief system could lead him to murder is a person with nothing but contempt for logic.

They made a mistake in making Zack the apprentice. Fortunately, I think they're trying to fix it.

Anonymous said...

I almost dropped the show after revealing Gormogon's apprentice being Zack. I ran through the comments and I just have one question. Where is the logic in eating other peoples' faces? I think Zack would've questioned such acts a million times before he participates. I do agree with ADDhole (if not with his harser tone sometimes) that this choice was lame. If they wanted to cast out his character it would've been better just to say his fingers had to be cut off and no more lab time for you bye bye. Whatever. Just not that. He was my all time favourite in the show. I'm pissed.
(Oh I say all above after seeing the first 3. seasons only... now I'm going on with 4/1.)

rob v said...

sorry,
. . .WASN'T communicated well. . .

rob v said...

thinking about it now, i dont believe it had anything to do with a writers strike. From the beginning the Gormogon thing was set up to be a huge everpresent back story but it fizzled. why?

Because i think the Real World Jeffersonian got nervous about the storylines having constantly compromise the integrity of people within the organisation, from security guards to top management. They probably threatened to pull the plug on support as it wouldn't have met with their original expectations of adding prestige to the organisation.

Jordan said...

Despite the assumption that Zach Addy would be capable of murder, we must not ignore the fact that he did not kill anyone. He was merely an asset, locating the victims and reporting the master. And although he say that if the master had commanded him to kill someone that he would, he simply does not have the psychologic profile of a killer.

mad_as_a_maya_betancourt said...

I guess my main thing about Zach is that they wildly changed his character. Perhaps not wildly but, somewhat. I actually watched the first episode again and Zach is so happy and smiling and less rational. Same with season 2. But then season 3 comes and Zach smiles less, speaks robotically and seems completely lost in the lab. I just don't understand it.
Before he left to Iraq I would never have accepted him as Gormogon's apprentice. Then all of a sudden he becomes cold. It's sad. He is so absolutely adorably cute. And funny too. And the sweetest thing.
I don't think any of the squinterns can ever compare.

Anonymous said...

Booth asks Bones how she got in and she tells him that the fake rock outside isn't fooling anybody.

Tori - Nina said...

I honestly think Zack was brainwashed.

In Iraq, he failed, he got sent home. When Gormogon comes to him, Zack thinks he has a second chance to proove he can be heroic. If he finds out everything Booth needs to know about Gormogon, he is a hero. But Gormogon isn't stupid enough to believe Zack would really help him, so he brainwashes Zack by making his actions sound like logic, when Zack is exhausted and not allowed to think negative, in that way you can brainwash a person. But he still loves his friends, so he saves Hodgins. When Brennan talks to him, he finds out he was wrong.

Zack tells Sweets he was wrong, not delusional. People who are brainwashed never believe they are brainwashed, even after it they find it hard to believe.
Sweets says "Maybe your delusion is that you're not delusional"
That sounds logical to me...

I think Zack will be released when he believes he was brainwashed, because if he doesn't, something like it could happen again.

This might sound like nonsense, I'm not a psychologist (I'm 15).
Also I hope Zack will come back to Bones, because they didn't kill him so he could come back.

Anonymous said...

Some people forget that Zack told Sweets that while he had helped Gormogon find the lobbyist, he himself had not actually stabbed him. In other words, Zack believes he killed the lobbyist because he helped find him, but from a legal standpoint he is considered only an accessory or co-conspirator. Sweets insists Zack change his story, but Zack refuses. Zack fears if his secret were to come out, he will find himself in prison, where he is sure to do very poorly according to Jack Hodgins. He reminds Sweets as Zack's therapist, he must not reveal Zack's secret because if Sweets were to do so, he would be violating doctor-patient confidentiality.
I think they need to have Zack declared sane and find a way to bring him back to the lab.

ScarletMercury said...

The original post is excellent! The Zack angle is a truly incredible story that is woven in and this analysis of it is so thorough and thoughtful!

William Ball said...

That's wasn't the apprentice on the motorcycle,that was gormogon.

Raven said...

Zack never did kill anyone! Geez, you guys, Zack will be coming back as a consultant, but I know not in what capacity. The REAL reason Zack left, was a physical one for his real life being,in that Eric Milligan has a health reason for needing off the show. However, that being said, they did need to "flesh out" the whole Gormagon Episode. As has been stated in NUMEROUS posts , basically all regurgitating the same premisises over and over,( reppitition MUCH?), Zack would NOT deviate from his core principles. He had a failsafe method of verifying his findings BEFORE making a conclusion as to the validity of his assumptions. He would check with Hodgins First, Brennan second, and go down the line to make sure no one was finding fault with his conclusions. The reason he is in a psych ward is basically for protection from people he has put away in the penal system. It is also to prevent anyone he has put away from crying foul and applying for a mistrial, in the event that they could declare they had been set up by a genius with a warped sense of fair play, evidence manipulation, and all the things that may could be assumed by anyone trying to manipulate Zack's mental reasoning which has always been sound to a fault, for their own ends, such as a re-trial. If this were to attempt to be tried, it can be easily argued that due to his genius state and his young age he had a mental breakdown requiring intense psychiatric care, thus the psych ward incarceration. That being said, they cannot let the juris system know that Zack is not insane or did not commit the crimes he is accused of, to do so would place Zack in the limelight forcing a trial, inwhich the truth would come out. I can not see Miss Julia trying Zack, nor would she be allowed to, as she works with the "squints" and it would be their jobs to find the evidence. This would require a whole new setup requiring the Jeffersonian Team to step aside since they all worked with Zack and it would be a conflict of interest as they worked with him. I like the fact that the ending, although quite shabby, allows for Zack to be a recurring character, instead of a criminal completely unable to come back as they did not have to maim, try to find, or really incarcerate him. The fact that Zack can leave undetected if he wants makes me kind of happy inside since we know he manipulated Sweets access card and his own library card to be able to escape to help them on a case then Sweets took him back. I also disagree with those who wished it were Sweets, Sweets is required in order to have access to Zack since he is Zack's psychiartist. Booth could retrieve Zack but with what excuse? Sweets can just go in and get him if necessary, and make sure it is not known Zack is working with the Jeffersonian Squint Squad. It all jus makes more sense the way they HAD to end it. If Eric Milligan had not have needed a quick retreat, I agree they COULD have made more episodes, explained more, but in this case from what I have come to find out it was not possible.

Raven said...

Zack never did kill anyone! Geez, you guys, Zack will be coming back as a consultant, but I know not in what capacity. The REAL reason Zack left, was a physical one for his real life being,in that Eric Milligan has a health reason for needing off the show. However, that being said, they did need to "flesh out" the whole Gormagon Episode. As has been stated in NUMEROUS posts , basically all regurgitating the same premisises over and over,( reppitition MUCH?), Zack would NOT deviate from his core principles. He had a failsafe method of verifying his findings BEFORE making a conclusion as to the validity of his assumptions. He would check with Hodgins First, Brennan second, and go down the line to make sure no one was finding fault with his conclusions. The reason he is in a psych ward is basically for protection from people he has put away in the penal system. It is also to prevent anyone he has put away from crying foul and applying for a mistrial, in the event that they could declare they had been set up by a genius with a warped sense of fair play, evidence manipulation, and all the things that may could be assumed by anyone trying to manipulate Zack's mental reasoning which has always been sound to a fault, for their own ends, such as a re-trial. If this were to attempt to be tried, it can be easily argued that due to his genius state and his young age he had a mental breakdown requiring intense psychiatric care, thus the psych ward incarceration. That being said, they cannot let the juris system know that Zack is not insane or did not commit the crimes he is accused of, to do so would place Zack in the limelight forcing a trial, inwhich the truth would come out. I can not see Miss Julia trying Zack, nor would she be allowed to, as she works with the "squints" and it would be their jobs to find the evidence. This would require a whole new setup requiring the Jeffersonian Team to step aside since they all worked with Zack and it would be a conflict of interest as they worked with him. I like the fact that the ending, although quite shabby, allows for Zack to be a recurring character, instead of a criminal completely unable to come back as they did not have to maim, try to find, or really incarcerate him. The fact that Zack can leave undetected if he wants makes me kind of happy inside since we know he manipulated Sweets access card and his own library card to be able to escape to help them on a case then Sweets took him back. I also disagree with those who wished it were Sweets, Sweets is required in order to have access to Zack since he is Zack's psychiartist. Booth could retrieve Zack but with what excuse? Sweets can just go in and get him if necessary, and make sure it is not known Zack is working with the Jeffersonian Squint Squad. It all jus makes more sense the way they HAD to end it. If Eric Milligan had not have needed a quick retreat, I agree they COULD have made more episodes, explained more, but in this case from what I have come to find out it was not possible.

Raven said...

DO NOT KNOW why that double posted...I hate my iPad at times. However, I can not find a way to delete one of them..so one more thing.....

In reference to the maiming and chasing and incarceration, they had to chase the guy who,stole Hodgins money, I believe he was also the one maimed. They had the "key guy" that was killed by Booth's evil FBI "friend", and they incarcerated Brennan's father, let him out for some reason, also had to chase down Russ. I don't think Zack would've willing betrayed Brennan due to the fact he KNEW all these events had something to do with Brennan's de- volving
he would see it as another betrayal of her, his mentor and equal, to an extent as she thought of him as a true friend. He was, if nothing else, fiercely loyal to her and Hodgins.

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