Thursday, April 2, 2009

Live Thoughts & Discussion: The Doctor in the Den

I remembered this week! Post your Live Thoughts & Episode discussion here for "The Doctor in the Den."

If you have already seen the episode please do not spoil it for those who post and read comments as they watch!

41 comments:

ninirific said...

I'm really liking this one. Its a nice turn to Cam's development.

Angela is funny in this one as well.

Beautiful moment between Cam and Brennan.

ninirific said...

Ending had me in tears!

Anonymous said...

preview for next week was awesome!

Anonymous said...

Yes i cried at the end. But i'm disappointed in the lack of booth and brennan moments. But next week looks hopeful.

Rolywa said...

great episode!! made me cry:)

I Dream of David said...

I loved Edison in this...and the ending...I was cryin' like a baby.

I love this new development for Cam.

Anonymous said...

i love that no matter who the show focuses on, its absolutely brilliant and wonderful and doesn't change how much i love it a single bit.

and how much did i love clark bringing in his girlfriend? dynamite! i get tired of him harping on the personal buisness thing but maybe if they find some way to keep that from being 'his thing' and just let him DO his thing all will be more than well.

and hey, now we can look forward to seeing that awesome 16 year old girl again.

Rebecca said...

"Snakes!" Loved Booth teasing Brennan. Wow, what a life change for Cam! The A/B/C hen party was hilarious, but it was nice to see Brennan connecting with Cam later on. Remember how one of their first disagreements was over the foster system in The Boy in the Shroud? This is a nice circle.

Now even Cam is telling Brennan about her feelings towards Booth!

Carrie said...

I'm amazed we haven't seen that young actress before. I IMDB'd her and this is the only thing she's been in. Where'd she come from?

Lauren said...

I actually quite liked this one! And I've been rather disillusioned as of late. I also liked how Booth wasn't nearly as goofy as he has been, and that "SNAKES!" bit was great :D

I'll admit that I read the sides and I really expected this episode to just be...not very good. I am quite pleasantly surprised. I thought I'd hate the whole Cam-focus, but I really, really liked it. I did think the end was a little too sappy, though, but that's me right now.

I'm interested to see how next week's episode goes, especially with the "I figured out how stupid you are a long time ago" line...I'm kind of hoping it turns into a "You're not actually all that stupid" thing.

Eli said...

She is the Copycat girl in Heroes and a cousin of Micah (Nikki/Jessica/etc)'s son.

Anonymous said...

Oh i loved this ep!

Dana's from Pushing Daises if anyone watched that show :D

Anonymous said...

Good episode. This reminded me of old Bones where Brennan was in the lab actually working with bones and Booth was being a tough guy in the interrogation room.

I love Booth and Brennan together, but everyone in this cast makes the show great and it was nice to see focus on the other characters...Cam and Angela specifically.

So many past episodes have made me get emotional, but there had been a bit of a dry spell...I was glad to feel some emotional connection again with the characters.

Really liked Clark too...he's always been my fav intern. There are no characters like him in the show. It really doesn't need a Brennan clone or a rediculously quirky intern like all the others are.

Anonymous said...

I was so happy with the episode! of course my friend was Clark's girlfriend.. too good! I now have even more reason to want Clark to be full time!

CCB

Anonymous said...

Just wondering how many jobs does Cam actually had nurse, cop, coroner for a long while..how old is she ?

cordy said...

Great episode. The Focus on Cam was well done and worked for me. Yes there could have been a few more BB scenes. But it's ok, as long as there are a more in the next episode.
I was totally impressed by Tamaras intense acting and the girl who played Michelle was awesome. I really hope to see more of her in future episodes.
The end scene had me in tears and that's something that happens rarely.

Anonymous said...

I miss moments at th end of th episode between our two favorites characters B&B....
But it was a beautiful episode, i liked to see and learn a little bit more about cam.
The next episode seems to be great, when he pushes her against the wall it's just... wahou it's gonna be hot

Doty

Shep said...

I really liked this episode but was disssapointed with the lack of B/B moment. I did love the ones we got though: 'Snakes!' and I loved how Booth was trying to impress her with the animal facts from one of Parker's books.
I notice Booth's love of cartoons are being mentioned a lot more ;). I admire him for that, I too love my daily dose of Tom & Jerry and Looney Tunes!

The focus on Cam was very well done, very sweet and sad. It's good to have an emotional episode again. I wasn't sure what to think about the little salt and pepper shaker thing: on the one hand, I thought it may have been a little cheesy but on the other, it was cute and it was the sort of thing you'd give to a 6-year old girl.

Loved Clark in this, but I agree that they should stop mentioning the personal business thing.

Also, I loved Brennan's line to Angela:
Angela:'He does have a terrific ass'
Brennan:'Perhaps that's why you're always making him leave'.

Jeannie said...

THAT was Bones at its best. I laughed, cried and enjoyed every second of it.
I liked the change of focus and pace, and I can totally enjoy it knowing it's only happening once in a while. I was even surprised by the killer!
Awesome episode. (Felt longer than a 45-minute episode to me for some reason.)

Loved Brennan in this one a lot. Glad they didn't make her so cold towards other people's feelings again.

Rachel said...

Carrie, IMDB was wrong, she was actually played by Dana Davies who was in Veronica Mars and Heroes. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1048128/

Anonymous said...

[Glad they didn't make her so cold towards other people's feelings again.]
I agree.
I just re-watched S1 & I personally find that Brennan was more emotional than she is in S4. Which makes me tired of reading that S1 Brennan would never have gotten emotional or sensitive or caring in such situations where she is few times in S4. That's so not true. There is at least 1 scene in most S1 epi where she gets emotional.
She wasn't cold toward Angela's feelings in a boy in a bush & the skull in the desert, & toward Booth's in the soldier on a grave, even though she also was a bit harsh with him but she also was very concerned with him. She also was often concerned with several victims & their family. Someone asked the producers whether Brennan will evolve socially & the answer was : do you want the show to end ? So I think they realize they have made her grow to fast & now they don't really know what to do with her anymore & maybe that's why she seems to me so weird this season, even worse than in S1 & especially S2 & 3.
Angela said it in the pilot : Brennan comes off distant because she connects too much. Brennan is wrong when she says she lacks empathy, au contraire she has a lot that's why she needs to be distant, otherwise it will be too painful & that's exactly what Sweets said in "wannabe" : her emotions are too complicated/painful for her to deal with ; and in verdict : the more she appears cold & objective the more she is hurting. So no she isn't uncaring even in S1. Shutting down her emotions is just her way to survive.
Not my native language :)

Anonymous said...

All that is clear in the girl in the fridge when in bed she confides in & shows herself vulnerable to Stires & when she testifies the second time.
By the way, we can also see in this epi that Booth is not the first guy that has accomplished the miracle of making Brennan opens up even though a lot of people seem to believe that he is.
I'm also wondering why everybody is always concerns with Brennan not showing her emotions when Booth has never really done it during 4 years even though we know now that he must have a lot to confide. Plus the fact that he told her to give a bit of herself but he didn't do it as much as her.
Also, why is everybody always complaining about Brennan correcting Booth but never about Booth correcting Brennan about colloquialisms ? Not only he corrects her but he often seems annoyed with her when he does even though she tries hard when he doesn't that much about scientific terms, he even asks the squints to speak normally in the lab when she tries to adapt her language in the field. He can be harsh with her too. Like in spaceman when she was very enthusiastic about the zero G & he shuts her down (is that the right expression ?) in the scene with Hodgins or in stargazer when she starts speaking about her mother during an interrogation. I'm not bashing Booth at all, she can be harsh with him too, but generally I always read people complaining about Brennan's bad behavior toward Booth & not his toward her. Booth is a very good man but not a perfect one, but it seems that a lot of people only see that Brennan is not perfect.
I'm sorry it has nothing to do with this epi but it is something I wanted to say for a long time. :)
Just my POV :)
Still not my native language :)

Louise said...

It's a testament to how strong the cast is that I didn't notice the lack of B&B until the end of the episode, when I was expecting it to go back to them.

I admit that I found the salt shakers a bit too cheesy, but it was played so well by the two actresses that it worked. And those were two very cute salt shakers! (although I guess one was actually pepper :) )

Anon (the last one) - I agree, I don't think Brennan was uncaring in season one ... it was almost as if she cared too much. Plus the fact that she wasn't very good at showing how much she cared - the only way she could do it was to put everything into her work, and help the victim in the only way she can.

I like to think that 'new' Brennan has just as much emotion, but is just struggling to deal with it, so shuts down. The only problem is that I think most of her emotions now revolve around Booth and the notion of family, and I'd like to see her get that passion back for her job.

Shep said...

You make very good points Anon. I just watched A Man on Death Row, and Brennan shows genuine concern for human life. In Stargazer, she completely understood why the mother killed her child. Brennan just lacks the ability to connect to people socially.

I still love the show but I think they need to try not to focus too much on character development. In previous episodes, some of the best character stuff came about as a result of the cases.

I think the producers have been driven by the increased ratings and people's desire to see Booth and Brennan get together but wish there was a way to voice out concerns to them.

Lauren said...

I agree with Shep, Anon, and Louise. Especially with Shep's point about how they're focusing a lot on specifically developing characters rather than sometimes letting it happen via connecting to a case (like Boy in the Shroud).

I think they're pushing things too fast, and making Brennan look much more socially inept than she did in the first 3 seasons so that they can "fix" her and have her hook up with Booth. It's not that I'm not a B/B shipper, I just think they're doing it wrong.

Also, anyone else thinking that the regular references to cartoons are trying to lead up to the spoilers that have come out regarding cartoons (I won't go into any more detail than that since it's possible people here haven't read the sides. Though I admit, I haven't read the sides for that episode either).

cordy said...

I agree and have to admit that the lack of sympathy both, Brennan as well as Booth, showed in this season for victims and their loved ones began to bother me. Specially in comparison to S1 they seem to care less about the cases and everyone involved.

Shep said...

This is why I'm looking forward to Girl in the Mask: from the sides, it looks like it will be more about the case. However, I could be wrong, sides don't give us all the info.

Anonymous said...

[It's not that I'm not a B/B shipper, I just think they're doing it wrong.]
I'm afraid you're right :(
I read the sides & don't like the plot, not because of the cartoon, that is what bothers me the less but because of what's going on with Brennan. I'm not liking what they are doing with her this season. I think she was a great character before & more interesting & coherent/consistent.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Louise, Shep, Lauren & Cordy.
I also think that S1 is underestimated. Someone said on the ABY that the ratings go up when quality goes down & I must say I kinda agree :(. I get why S4 does better than S1, it's because S4 is less deep, more superficial & simple ; you can watch it, enjoy it & forget it. But to appreciate S1 you need to be interested into the characters' psychology & look for subtleties & not expect things to be said in your face. IMO S4 lacks of subtleties, is too light & comical & there are too much cheap sex allusions, 'Bones' did great without.

Louise said...

Anon ... great point, I do think Bones is much more about playing to the masses now compared to the almost cult show it was back in season one.

I don't think it's so much the ratings going up when the quality goes down as the other way round (i.e. quality goes down when ratings go up). It happens with most tv shows though (we have this phenomenon in the UK - when shows move from BBC2 to BBC1 the quality almost always goes down).

Strangely enough, although I find the cases the least interesting part of the show, I think they're essential, and I prefer the way character development is integrated with the cases, rather than separate (which it was in Doctor in the Den, to get back on topic).

I can't help but think of ER (I'm re-watching season one at the moment). That show was always great at striking the balance between characters and cases - you couldn't have one without the other.

Anonymous said...

[I don't think it's so much the ratings going up when the quality goes down as the other way round (i.e. quality goes down when ratings go up).]
Yeah of course ; bonnet blanc, blanc bonnet LOL ;) I'm afraid that will lead them to keep going on with this new direction & not going back on tracks next season... (Does this last sentence make sense ?) :)
[Strangely enough, although I find the cases the least interesting part of the show, I think they're essential]
I agree. The fact that the show is also too light now doesn't help for character developments. I don't mind some light epi but this season is full of that & I find this light epi are full of inconsistencies & don't fit the characters.

Anonymous said...

I was so happy when I found this show. A perfect mix between CSI (I presume since I don't watch it but have heard about it) & NCIS, i.e great science, humor, great characters (especially Brennan, a strong independent scientific rational woman), character interactions & last but not least character developments. I almost stopped watching NCIS when I found Bones lol.

Pratiksha said...

i thought it was a beautifully written and brilliant executed character development epi...although i did miss my regular ending BB moments...but the next episode kinda makes up for it....Tamara did a wonderful job here and i really liked Cams and brennans interactions in this epi....Clark was brilliant here too....
@ Anon:- i think booths corrections of pop culture references are usually to add humour to the epi and they are quite funny...but brennans attitude as we see in The Bones that Foam or also The Bone that Blew of her being smarter than Booth come off as a bit harsh...

Pratiksha said...

i thought it was a beautifully written and brilliant executed character development epi...although i did miss my regular ending BB moments...but the next episode kinda makes up for it....Tamara did a wonderful job here and i really liked Cams and brennans interactions in this epi....Clark was brilliant here too....
@ Anon:- i think booths corrections of pop culture references are usually to add humour to the epi and they are quite funny...but brennans attitude as we see in The Bones that Foam or also The Bone that Blew of her being smarter than Booth come off as a bit harsh...

Anonymous said...

I personally don't find him correcting her that funny (she seems so happy until she realizes she is wrong, it makes me sad for her :)) because like I said, he seems annoyed with her when she gets colloquialisms, pop cultures or jokes wrong even though she tries hard when he doesn't get scientific terms right on purpose(IMO). But I agree she was harsh in foam but not in blew.

Anonymous said...

What do you guys think about Booth not asking Brennan to come interrogate the suspect since Cam wasn't there ?

I Dream of David said...

re: "snakes"

a nit to pick with those damned writers...brennan didn't seem to have any problems with snakes when she was down in new orleans...

i seem to remember booth admonishing her to quit acting like lily munster, at least while she was under suspicion for murder.

Anonymous said...

You don't dream of David in French anymore ? lol ;)

& you're right, by the way man in the morgue was a great epi.

Jen said...

I really liked this episode. Cam really needed a story line other than babysitter of interns. Clark was a great choice for the episode since he is more independent than the others. Also I love it when Brennan is in the lab. Lately I feel like she has not really been all that essential in solving the cases.
looking forward to next week when B&B are in danger together.

Poetic_line said...

This episode was wonderful. Although I usually get cranky without enough Booth and Brennan scenes especially the ending, I was fine with this episode and actually loved it.

Tamara did a wonderful job and really touched my heart in a way she has never done before.

Anonymous said...

I agree that people can be too hard on Brennan. I think women like Brennan, brainy and not super socially oriented, have a hard time in our culture. Women are supposed to be nurturers, and so when we go against type by being mostly head-oriented and sort of checked out of the emotional world, we get slammed way harder than men who do the same thing. That is about half of why I love this show so much, this is the first time we have seen a woman like Brennan on tv.

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