Thursday, May 28, 2009

TVGuide talks to Hart Hanson about the S4 finale and beyond

I won't post the image here, just a link, in case you don't want to read even the barest speculation about what will or won't happen next year (though I think this is pretty safe), but TVGuide has an article out now where Hart Hanson talks about fan reaction to the finale, what exactly happened in the finale, and what will (or won't) happen next year.

Thanks Shep (and others!) for pointing this out.

87 comments:

Lauren said...

Okay, I'm glad that HH has admitted that he screwed up the ending of that episode, but I'm not sure how I feel about the Booth-thinks-the-sex-actually-happened part. I mean, I can kind of see it if you consider his dream starting after that white-flash of light...but why would he go into the hospital, have the tumor removed, leave the hospital to have sex with Brennan in the wee hours of the morning, only to go back to the hospital and wake up from a coma after the surgery? Unless he thinks the sex happened before the surgery? I dunno. I'm not feeling it.

amc815 said...

Totally agree with you Lauren. That flashforward theory makes more sense to me than HH's declaration. I have no idea what he's going to do on S05...

GeneralProfound said...

thnx for the article!
though, i am still thinking booth's "who are you" might come around like a joke, as carter did in dead/alive :D

but the article explains quite nicely the latest events on twitterBones in tweetland ;-)

i am just wondering: what about copyrights on the storyline coming along on twitter? what if that cannot be used anymore? *evilidea*

greetz!

Amanda said...

I just realized there was a big spoiler from Ausiello:

"According to executive producer Hart Hanson, a series of attacks within the Lab will cause "dissension and suspicion" amongst all of the main players by the end of the season, adding, "It will affect the way each and every character regards the others." Oh, and the Booth-Brennan sex thing in the May finale? Yep, still happening." (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/02/ask-ausiello--2.html)

We never saw that. Maybe that's a storyline that will be held over to S5 and beyond?

Theresa said...

Reading that makes me even more excited for September!! I can't wait!!

Signed,
Giddy in KC

(lol)

Michelle said...

Ha! I knew that "who are you" couldn't have meant full-blown amnesia. 1 point for me ;)

Anonymous said...

Booth thinking the sex actually happened would be something I'd pay to see!

Imagine all the possiblities of awkward moments, stealing glances and Booth trying to decipher things...

YUM!

Shep said...

I'm so glad that it looks like the amnesia isn't really amnesia! I don't understand how Booth can believe the sex actually happened either.

I'm assuming Hart has this all worked out but I pray to the PTBs that he knows what he's doing!

Stephanie said...

It doesn't mean that Booth thinks the sex happened directly after his surgery. It just means he wakes up thinking it has happened at some point and that the Brennan standing in front of him is more than just his partner. I think that could be pretty funny, but I am not happy that Hart said real sex isn't gonna happen. I want to see Booth and Brennan as a couple!! I'm going to be so upset if they don't get together until the series finale and then we don't get to actually see them together.

Oh, and Amanda, I'm pretty sure we did see that. I'm pretty sure that "spoiler" was about the finale alternate reality...especially since the word "lab" is capitalized in that spoiler. Since all the Lab workers were the regular Bones characters and they were all suspected of maybe being involved in the murder that happened...I think that spoiler is over.

jenny said...

Yeah I agree with Stephanie on the spoiler.And with Lauren on Booth...It can be weird if it's not handled with caution.But I must say that,although I want BB to eventually be together and I love their chemistry and stuff,I'm kind of glad there isn't going to be any sex coming next season,real or not.Cause I think it was the main "source of evil" this season,the reason for most of the things that felt wrong..I mean it was obvious the writers had that in mind all the time and sometimes they pushed and pulled thingd in akward,out-of-character ways to manipulate things in that direction.So I hope this means that in S5 we'll see the show "return to its roots" a little bit,meaning we'll get to see more intresting cases,more science,more in-character character interactions and developments and maybe things we miss from the first seasons,like,say, a rescue (I miss this "us against the world" feeling betweeb BB in episodes like Two Bodies in the Lab or Aliens or Judas...)

Shep said...

I think the dissapointment in the sex scene wasn't because the sex was a cheat, but because we were all led to believe it would be real. And ther articles on various sites, in magazines hyped it up even more. If they hadn't released the spoiler, it may have not been so bad for people.

Handsome Booth said...

No sex scene between Booth and Brennan in S5 and probably S6. This time I really believe HH. Emily has stated many times that Hart and herself had many meetings concerning the sex scene. She was very uncomfortable doing this scene with David. In S2 she never once said she felt awkward doing this type of scene with the actor who played SULLY. I guess Emily has a lot of pull on this show. Come on this is David Boreanaz. Hundreds of actresses would give their right arms to do any kind of scene with DB. Even though DB is not the whole reason this show is a success, He is the main reason. Hart stop Emily from having all the say.

Dianna said...

What Shep said. :)

I think the hype backfired, on everyone. I kept waiting for "the real" stuff as pretty much promised compounded by the build up from CitCab so a totally AU episode felt like a slap in the face. Not because the episode itself was so awful; it wasn't. But the Booth and Brennan are going to hook up "really really" part wasn't there and, worse, was obviously never meant to be there -- so I felt punked.

Season 4 just felt out of kilter so often. When it was good it was as good as ever and then some ... and then there were the other times with some alien in Booth's body in the UK etc.

Like others have said above, I'm so hoping S5 brings back the good stuff and isn't so ... vulnerable to random weirdness.

Anonymous said...

speaking of the sex scene, I find other B-B moments (i.e. staring into each other's eyes, finger on the hot coffee cup, the overdue book scene) sexier than the actual sex scene. I don't know I think it has to do with B-B not being "themselves" in that scene.

Rolywa said...

Maybe they're going to all fool us and NOT announce a sex scene and then WHAM it happens in the premiere when no one is expecting it! I hope it's a surprise when it does happen! Maybe this season...:)

Theresa said...

Handsome Booth, she said it was uncomfortable because they have worked together for 4 years. The guy that played Sully wasn't a regular, she hasn't worked closely with him for 4 years, so I can completely see where she's coming from.

I think if they do get together (date, sex, anything besides kiss [ie Santa ep.]) before the series finale it will take away from the dynamic that has made the show such a success. Personally I love the sexual tension and what it brings to the show. I agree with Anon (comment 14) that I much rather see the little things they do over a full blown sex scene.

...and one more thing, as a person that stayed away from most of the spoilers, I enjoyed the episode and I think the people who didn't enjoy it are the people that read way to much into the spoilers.

Theresa said...

Something I found about them shooting that scene:

"Honestly, he was such a sweet guy. He was more supportive and concerned for me before we started filming than I would be. He had meetings about it. He's like, "I don't want anyone around." He practically kicked out everyone -- even the people who had to be there filming! And it's a fairly tame scene. He was so protective of me; it was very sweet, actually. He wanted to make sure I felt comfortable. Of course, he also made jokes."

I thought it was cute.

Stephanie said...

I read all the spoilers and was so thrilled that none of them ended up how they sounded, I totally loved the finale, haha. I agree, Theresa, I thought that comment about David sounded really cute as well.

Also, I kind of agree with Rolywa. I doubt it'll happen in the premiere, but I'm almost positive that when/if Booth and Brennan actually have sex, we won't know anything about it before hand. It definitely won't be announced at Comic-Con a year before it happens like the scene last season.

catnapping said...

convoluted story lines are what killed moonlighting...not the deed (s.e.x.) itself.

i predict that bones will convolute themselves into cancellation...before next may. and they'll go out looking like a damned soap opera.

amazing, isn't it? they're going to pretzelize brennan and booth's interactions just to avoid copulation. cuz they think copulation will kill the show.

irony. it's not just for laundry anymore.

Anonymous said...

i have to agree with the comment above mine... this whole time HH as marveled/mourned over how dedicated and loyal and fervent the fans are. and i think that, were it handled gracefully, we would definitley hang in there for an attempt at a BB relationship. We would also hang in there if one never happened. the real issue im having with the show is how little it seems to trust its audience- dont promise us things and get us excited, dont feel you need to do ierd little gimmicks you will of course regret later... i get that going into a 5th season has its pressures but im feeling quite... exasperated, unnecessarily, by my favorite show. and i am clearly not alone!

im sad to hear there will be no getting together anytime soon. what the hell will they do with the chemistry they've built up to this boiling point??? how can they NOT get together??? can they at least have one real kiss?

and yes, please, never tell us it will happen again.

Shep said...

HH's latest Twitter.

'In the airport at Papeete, coming home tonight. Back to the real world. Season opener to write immediately. But I had a real holiday!'

Shep said...

Methinks now is the time (for anyone who has twitter) to tell him what we'd like to see next season.

Anonymous said...

Theresa,Why she would feel uncomfortable doing any kind of love seen with the handsomest man in Hollywood is something I can't understand. I agree with Handsome Booth that many women would give anything to not only do love scenes with David but just to work with him everyday. I really don't think Emily knows how lucky she is.

Theresa said...

Anon- Sometimes it's not all just about looks, yes, David is gorgeous, but when you get to know someone on a higher level, respect them (and their family) as a friend and coworker, it could definitely make sex scenes difficult.

Groovycathers said...

I agree totally with Catnapping, I think the audience are going to start to get bored and leave in droves if HH doesn't start to move them together for real. Ideally it would would be nice to have them move on in their relationship on a slow burn through S5, watch the fledgling romance and all the lumps and bumps on the way, maybe end up with the first scene from the S4 finale as the last scene in the S5 finale? :-)

I agree also with Theresa and the Anonymous poster that less is more when it comes to B&B. There's some great fan-fiction around to fill in the gaps if you need the full-on stuff.

I was a huge Moonlighting fan but but by pulling them apart as soon as they brought them together they effectively killed off the show. You can still have chemistry as a couple. ED and DB may not want to do love scenes as they're such close mates but they are also actors and the show is driven by the audience. Surely they are going to have to concede to that audience eventually?

BTW I've satched the last scene a couple of times now and if you listen to the inflection in Booth's voice it's not "Who are you" as in "I don't know you" but rather "Which Brennan are you?" which matches HH's recent comments which makes the S5 opener all the more exciting. I still think he lied about the hallucination/dream stuff and I've not entirely forgiven him yet...

Anonymous said...

I strongly agree with the poster Grooycathers. Just because she might feel uncomfortable doing these type of scenes with David doesn't mean that it right. That's why it is called ACTING. If anybody has seen the behind the scene's video of last year's kiss(The Santa in the Slush) she didn't looked awkward at all. It looked to me like she wanted to devour him. I don't what the difference is now.

amc815 said...

I think they can't be together soon on S05. But has to be in the middle of it, at least. Hart said that has to be dance, but at this stage, dancing is not enough anymore. And fans won't be disappointed if B&B get together. There are so many ways to tell us and show us this history without ruin it all... HH and the co-writers need put faith on us (fans) and give us what we want, because we have faith that they can do it perfectly! And also prove a point to others who tried and failed...

Oh, and sorry about my English! This is not my mother language... =]

Theresa said...

I'm watching the Finale...again and I just noticed something that made me think. When Zach gets out of Jail he's on her couch and she says "they let you out". It just mad me wonder if it's kind of a hint of him getting out of the mental hospital...or just coincidence.

Penniless_PieMaker said...

I think that that was more of a joke at the fact that he broke out that one time. They point out that he didn't have his shoes on, which I think suggests he left without the consent of the hospital staff.

on the point of them getting themselves cancelled by next may... they've been renewed for two more seasons, so I don't see that happening. I like the idea of this coming season being more serious and then having the sex scene be the last scene or what-not. I think that way we'd get to see them together, but it wouldn't be long enough (as in seasons left) to really mess up the whole dynamic of the show.

Anonymous said...

I think HH is right about not outing B&B to gather. As we have seen, season 4 kinda of sucked in its story line, and the only thing that keeps mature fans on it, is their curiosity on how these two will finally hook up. So if they have already ran out of great story line, by not joining the two main characters, they are hanging there as a soap opera to fetch as much money as they can.

Anonymous said...

Reading Hart Hanson's comments in TV Guide about the season finale, It seems that the writers(HART) are going to let their relationship go backward. HERE'S WHAT I HOPE HAPPENS. Split Booth and Brennan up for at least 4 Episodes. This would be similar to when the character Sully was involved and most of the people on this blog were loving that Booth was jealous. Have Booth work with another woman which leads to a relationship. It has been implied that Brennan now loves Booth(I dont see it). Brennan would then know what jealousy is. This probably wont happen but, if it does the Brennan lovers would go crazy. I can just hear them. How could he do that to her?

Anonymous said...

Yup... I am definitely up for a temporary B-B split.

The entire focus of season 4 was the BB relationship. It seemed like that was the underlying plot of each of the episodes; hence everything seemed forced.

whereas in other seasons, BB relationship was the focus but it was done extremely subtly that left you wanting more.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering if anyone has noticed something different about the relationship between David and Emily these last few months. At recent events there have been few photos of them together. In the photos that have been taken David looks like he's kinda uncomfortable. Usually they play it up for the cameras. Maybe HHs comments regarding B&B not getting together in S5 is at the request of the actors. Just an observation !!!!

Anonymous said...

Why do you think, B&B chemistry is so obvious to everyone. It looks to me as Emily is in love with David. But because David is married, it is not easy for her to do the sex scene. Anyway, if it is true then you can understand why David is uncomfortable.

Theresa said...

Anan- Re: Emily in love with David; that's just ludicrous. If I remember correctly she is in a relationship as well...not that it's any of our business. I'm sure the actors have some pull, but probably not as much as you'd like to think. I trust HH and I think some of you should as well. He's never going to make everyone happy, so he can only do what he can do...create, write and direct a great show and hope that people watch and enjoy.

You can't try to look TOO much into the show and the situations or you will find yourself not enjoying it for what it is...a television show...not a reality show.

Stephanie said...

They do usually play it up for the cameras, but other than the Upfronts, they really haven't been at the same events lately, so I wouldn't read anything into those pictures at all. And yes, they're producers so they have a little bit of a say, but I don't think they could entirely block Booth and Brennan from getting together. Aren't both of them for that eventually anyway? Neither David nor Emily have ever said anything that's anti-Booth & Brennan.

I don't understand why everyone seems to think it's insane that Emily might've been uncomfortable filming that scene. I personally didn't get that impression, but whatever. Yes, David is gorgeous, but there's so much more to life than looks, even for actors! For starters, there's about two dozen crew people watching them. Who wouldn't be uncomfortable with dozens of people standing around, watching you make out with someone? Many, many actors say that scenes like that are weird and uncomfortable to film. And, as Teresa said, Emily's been working closely with him for 4 years. That's a long time in and of itself, and they work ridiculously long hours, so they've spent a lot of time together. To suddenly have to make out and simulate sex with someone you're that close to (with people watching) would be weird, whether real feelings existed between you or not. If Hart and the producers hadn't been happy with the scene or the way Emily and/or David acted in it, they would've made them do it again.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't suggesting that Emily was in love with David. Just that there appears to be some tension between them other than the usual sexual chemistry. To me the sex scene worked fine. Even enjoyed the episode when got over the disappointment of the fact that it was alternate reality.

Anonymous said...

hmmmm this thread has taken an interesting turn lol!

If we're going to discuss the chemistry in the finale, I thought DB looked more awkward. He was sort of forcing it a bit - & admitted that in a interview. I would imagine it may be a bit hard to kiss passionately knowing your pregnant wife is at home lol! Once positions had reversed and ED was on top I thought she managed to slow things down and create the intimate feeling we all wanted.

Shep said...

David said that he was really annoyed that the Flyers lost a match and so he was a bit forceful during the scene.

And please can we not go into the Emily/David stuff again! This is not the place for gossip! (I don't mean anyone was, just trying to stop the thread from going there)

Anonymous said...

Theresa, Why is it ludicrous that Emily might be in love with David? Is that so hard to believe?
Even if she is in a relationship like you say that doesn't mean that she is not in love with David. Have you ever seen interviews of her alone she lights up like a 100 watt bulb when she talks about him. I think your wrong. JMO!!!!!

Shep said...

Repeat after me:
'We. Shall. Not. Stray. Into. Gossip. Territory.
We. Shall. Not. Stray..'

Yssel said...

Oh, please! David also is lighting up when he talks about her, or when he does interviews with her.
They are great actors, they are colleagues and friends and it is obvious they like to work together. Because from a professional point of view they are both growing and challenging each other.
That does not mean there must be romantic feelings involved.
And even in case, who cares? ;-)

Anonymous said...

Shep, I didn't start this topic. I am only responding to someone's else
post.

Anonymous said...

From all the cheap jokes and nonsense forensic they pulled in season 4, I have lost my faith in HH to pull season 5 into right direction. Has anybody noticed that all the writers who wrote season 1 and 2 are writing for shows like Mentalist and House? They have all staff writers for 2009 episodes and look where those writing took us!

My theory is every show has a pick and they should quit while they are at top and move on to new stuff. Then they would be always remembered as the great show. Otherwise they will demolish gradually and they won't remembered honorably. It is just how I feel.

Poetic_line said...

I loved the humor and pathos of season 4 and if you didn't, then bow out gracefully instead of slamming it.

As for David and Emily, they are great friends and love each other in that way.

They two classy people who enjoy their special relationship with nothing untoward. David is married and Emily likes his wife.

And rumors can be hurtful so it's best not to speculate at someone else's expense.

I am looking forward and dreading season 5 because I definitely do not want to see them moving backwards.

Yet, Hart always pulls off a surprise and I don't want to give too much credence to speculation even when it comes from the creator, himself.

Poetic_line said...

I meant they are...

Anonymous said...

Dear Poetic_line, I don't remember mentioning anything about David or Emily. I said I don't like the humor which you like. What's the big deal? I am sure there are tons of things I like and you don't. I mean, I don't want to be your friend or something.

I just wrote my opinion about the season 4. No need to get upset about it. I am sure my opinion doesn't count.

Would you please just answer one question. How old are you?

Kili Climbers said...

I am still giving HH a chance to make things right in season 5. :-) Guess I am obsessed! I was flipping through the Bones companion book and noticed the writers for season 1 and 2 for the first time. Yes, maybe some of them should write for season 5.

Oh and I am glad we are stopping with the Emily and David stuff. I wondered myself if the Sarah and David rumors had anything to do with David's first divorce. :-( I think us fans can be overwhelming sometimes.

Mary from Philly said...

Shep,I have read this blog everyday since Wendy started it about a year ago and really enjoyed until now. This is the first and surely the last time I will post. I have come to conclusion from your comments that if someone wants to discuss a subject that you don't like then it should be forbidden. The show is on Hiatus now and people want to discuss other things(IE. David and Emily relationship) Just because that is distasteful to you people still have right to say it. You and others treat Emily like a saint as if it would't be possible for her to have any romantic feelings toward David.

Yssel said...

Mary, I don't think that some subjects are distasteful to someone. I think that THOSE subjects are a sort of abuse, a violation of privacy to the actors who have the right to keep their private life private.
In case Emily and David have something going on romantically, it is obvious they do not want people to talk. And I respect that.
In case there is nothing between them, it is obvious that these assumptions from fans are offensive and for sure don't make them happy.

So in either case and without judging their private life which is none of my business, I'm pretty sure both Emily and David are not pleased to read such comments on line, maybe they do not read them but people close to them do.
As a fan, why should I do something that can hurt them?

Of course they are not saints, not Emily nor David. It's enough they are persons and deserve respect and privacy like anybody else.

jenny said...

Dear Mary(and the rest of the gossip-lovers)
It's not a matter of what Shep (or any of us) like or want.It's that this blog is about the show we all love,not about the actors' personal lives.As I've said before,Wendy has always made sure of that.And it's something I've always liked about this blog,how she and people like Shep [and me,lately :)] have always stopped it from becoming gossip-land!The fact that it's the summer now and the show isn't on doesn't give us the right to dive into gossip,just because one might feel bored or sth!And I don't think it has to do with being a fan of one of the actors or idolising them (which you accuse Shep of):there are plenty of us that are fans of Emily more than David or the reverse and still don't want people to shoot nasty comments around here;I mean I'm definitely a fan of ED more than DB,but I would still be very angry if I saw people making nasty speculations or gossiping around about him in this blog.I believe there are plenty of blogs out there for gossip-lovers-just keep it out of here,please!
To me,it's all about respect.When I respect somebody,I don't want to gossip around about him/her.So I think if we feel even the tiniest bit of respect about these people(if for nothing else,at least for the fact that they give us this wonderful show we all love-even if it breaks our hearts sometimes;but that's a completely different discussion)we can't go on with the gossip.So please,simmer down.
I'm saying all these with good heart and I don't wish to offend anyone.

jenny said...

Hey Yssel!We typed pretty much the same things around the same time lol!

Wendy said...

The no-gossip thing comes right from me. As I've said many times - OWB is for the show, the cast, and aspects of the actors lives they chose to make public. Whether someone has a crush on someone else, secretly has a relationship with a coworker, is pregnant, or whatever does not belong here.

Shep said...

Everyone has a right to an opinion but it doesn't matter whether it is distasteful to me or not, what I meant was that I don't believe we have the right to discuss actors private lives. We should respect their privacy and only discuss what they themselves choose to reveal to the public.

Besides, this blog is for the discussion of Bones and although we do occassionally talk about members of the cast and crew, it is only about information they have made public of their own accord in an interview or magazine article etc...

Groovycathers said...

...so back to the show talk then :-)

I think on the topic of love scenes generally, actors in any of the top rated shows know that romantic liaisons between key characters happen, and at some stage they are likely to have to one or more kissing or love scenes. It's integral to the plot in most cases and Bones is no different, it thrives on it of course. ED and DB are not mugs, they know this. Thank God that in Bones we have possibly the best sexual chemistry between characters in years, hence the common harking back to Moonlighting, so memorable for the chemistry but of course Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepherd are both documented as saying their relationship was very stormy. Well done ED and DB for being great actors and doing such a good job of making it work so well, nice if they are friends off-screen as well but quite frankly that's none of our business and whatever the reality (which I think is entirely two good mates doing some harmless flirting, historically DB did it a lot when they used to promo Buffy and Angel with differing reactions from his female co-stars) it should absolutely *nothing* to do with whether the characters should be persuing a sexual relationship on-screen.

I think there is currently a very thin line between giving the majority of the audience what they (including me) want but not doing too soon so as to keep the UST up but also not leaving it so long that interest wanes, and I am certain that it will if HH and the writers do not make a move in the right direction. Like I said in my earlier post, couples can still have chemistry! It just changes the dynamic a bit. I'm married with little kids and so are a lot of my friends, but you can see the chemistry between most of the couples on the rare occasions we get to go out! *lol*

People can still spark if they are together. I'm not saying chuck the baby straight into the mix but let 'em have the odd kiss, please! It'd be hysterical seeing Booth trying not to feel up Brennan in the middle of a crime scene! They could get a lot of humour out of the situation and in general their battle to keep their relationship and work seperate when they are so madly in love and totally hot for each other.

I think HH made a mistake with the fans building the episode up in such a way it was never going live up to the hype. I know I'm not the only person who is angry about the "it's not a dream/hallucination" speak only to be lied to and then be told that it wasn't entirely lying as some of it was in Brennan's very conscious, lucid mind. Not good enough and there was m saying to my other Bones watching friends "Don't worry, it's gonna be the real thing" only to look like a total idiot afterwards.

HH needs to make up to us in S5. I am a HUGE fan and I want to be the show that everyone wants to watch.

So, in the unlikely event you're reading this, this is my wish list Mr Hanson:
1) Stop this surrogate-relationship crap - give us the REAL thing!
2) Give us back some of the great cases, things that kept us gripped in S1-3, I thought some of the cases seemed to be an afterthought in S4.
3)I want Hogela back too.
4)I actually like Perotta, she was cool, I loved her with the knights!
5)You can keep a running stroyline about Booth feeding Brennan ice cream, or any dessert in fact as much as you like. Every episode would be fine ;-) That was about the hottest thing in S4 other than the libarian moment on the plane in PitO.
6) No chance of Zach coming back is there?
7) More pithy, dry humour from Cam. Cam rocks, give her a love interest please (but not Booth of course!)

Thanks.

Comments, other people's wishlists?

Anonymous said...

Warning, please don't read this if you love ED and Bones S4. I apologize for my rudeness in advance.

I wish they use Noah Hawley. He wrote Bones' great episodes like "the man in the cell" and "the blond in the game". He wasn't involve in season 4 but instead wrote great episodes for "The Unusuals" which had a great story line and subtle humor.

Also I wish someone tell ED to rewatch s1-3 and try to talk less in mono tones. You would know what I am talking, if you look at the last shot in Booth's car in "Beaver in the otter" episode, when she was asking whether Booth wanted to go with Jared to India or not. Man, that was some scene she shouldn't put in her resume.

Last but not least, I hope they use Kathy Reichs again to help them build better cases than "the princess and the pear" or "the hero in the hold".

Hope you didn't get offended by my wish list.

Shep said...

I think bringing back the season 1-3 writers would solve a lot of problems! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaassseee Hart? I shall get down on my knees if I have to!

What made them go anyway? Better pay prospects? Got bored? How can you leave a show like Bones!

Anonymous said...

Emily and especially Hart were always stating that the finale was going to be a love letter to the fans. Boreanaz had the good sense when asked about it, he always responded you have to ask Hart about it. If that was a LOVE LETTER, I would hate to see what a HATE LETTER would be like.

Poetic_line said...

Much older than you, Anonymous. I'm outside the demographic.

The David and Emily thing wasn't addressed to you.

Sorry, if you took it that way.

I collapsed my comments and perhaps I shouldn't have.

Margaret said...

Anon, I get your gist about the Love and Hate letters. Hart Hanson can't be beleived. That's his MO, but for ED to lie disturbs me. I thought she had more class. Us loyal fans are the only reason she makes a big salary. If you didn't want to say anything about the episode. she should't have done any interviews prior to the showing instead of lying. Total lack of respect for fans.

Anonymous said...

I think the big problem with season 4 ending comes from misunderstanding between HH and fans. It seems to me that fans more liked to see love expression between Booth and Brennan which would lead to sex but HH thought that fans wanted to see the sex. So he came up with that stupid idea to give sex without any commitment.

Now wouldn't you agree that it would be better ending if B&B would express their love for each other but reach to conclusion that they should still keep their partnership and not jump into any relationship? In this scenario, the tension would be even more fierce and sad at the same time in season 5.

Nina said...

i am anxious to see how they handle thre relationship above everything else right now! the thing is its been built up almost past the boiling point so the cleverness is really going to have to come in here where it (in my opinion) seemed a little wierd in the finale. this is what I would want/be ok with/predict:

knowing the characters as well as we do, booth and brennan having this shared fantasy about being happily married, aka both finally admitting it to themselves as much as it seems possible, they will of course get SUPER AWKWARD like they always do. and its unlikely they will confide in one another about the scariness of it all. so i predict at least a few episodes where things are a really wonderful version of intense between them, (and we will see a side of brennan we haven't seen yet- totally in love and flustered) and of course some angela/brennan heart to heart.

there will be some kind of conversation where they talk about it- in whichever way they know how. and they will have to choose between being together and working together.
>Either the nature of the case will convince them they should choose 'working together'(if the writing is clever as we like it to be and ties the case in well) OR >some kind of hodgela decision/event (i have been waiting for the work/romance boundary crossing discussion between angela and brennan forever!)

then we can have fun with them trying to deny feelings they KNOW they have all season long.

and thats a WAY better way to get them together- not suddenly, but after a long, agonizing journey. when they have no other choice.
and yeah, i can even handle a little booth trying to date other people drama in there.

Anonymous said...

im just now like 'oh, one of them is going to screw up and upset the other person' or some misunderstanding will go down that keeps them interested yet definitley apart. i wouldn't even be surprised at all if sully came back, and brennan left with him to run away from being unable to deal with the booth situation. not to be a total and complete cynic but...

Theresa said...

Random: I just realized the difference in the clock in the finale (I think). The first time it says 4:47, the second time it's 05:43...regular time vs. military time. Right?
Every time I watch the finale I pick up something new. A good way to pick up new things in the dialogue is to listen to it though headphones, I've picked up a few things in a few episodes that way.

Anonymous said...

Actually now it makes sense to me that the one who knows about her feeling - Brennan - wrote about them being married. And the other one in denial - Booth - would have a uncautious dream to wake up from and understand the deep desire.

But still I would liked see them interact with each other better than each separately go through their emotions and confess the love to themselves. I guess we are not living in perfect world, are we?

Anonymous said...

I have been such a huge Bones fan.... to the point of obsession.Let me clarify I only watch tv intermittently and do not watch any other tv show regularly. Bones is it!

The writers have brought these two characters together over the past four years and I have loved the journey.

....But why take us to a certain point with the relationship and then retreat???? Why take us there in the first place if they now want to take the relationship a step backwards/
sidewards/downwards...any way but forwards!!!!

I hope the new episodes are written brilliantly and all will prevail....I hope this worry that I have for my favourite TV show will be all in vain!!!! I hope Hart comes up with something absolutely brilliant....i hope, i hope, i hope!!!!!

Joseph said...

It is incredible how much Hart Hanson lied to fans. First, he said at Comic Con 2008 that Booth and Brennan were going to be naked in bed together. Did I miss something? Brennan was not naked. She was in S2 when her breasts fell out in a bed scene with her then boyfriend. Second, the sex was going to be real time. If that was real the women I have fantasized about was real. LUCKY ME. That some people liked this episode after all the lying amazes me.

Lucinda said...

Since HH and TPTB are hell bent to make the BB relationship go backwards, here is what I would like to see in S5. Give both of them many different romantic interests. Booth especially. It has been 3YRS since he has had a woman in life. For a single guy who looks like him that is unbelieveable. This type of storyline will magnify the sexual tension between them.

Kate said...

Harts a big tease....first he says the sex scene is gonna be REAL..then tells us they r gonna give us what we want in a way we dont expect...i mean who wud EXPECT it do be a dream when hes alrdy promised its not????way to go HART..thats a love letter to ur loyal fans?????

n then he has Booth say "Who r u??" n expects people to believe he doesnt hv amnesia???WTF??

As far as S05 is concerned i really dont know wot to expect????i was disappointed by S04(except for some really good epis)..n the only reason i will be tuning into S05 wud be to see how they pull this whole stuff off..

And i am really not believing anythn thats cums out of Harts mouth...

Stephanie said...

Am I the only one who feels like Hart never really lied? He said Booth and Brennan were gonna be naked in bed together. They were. Maybe not during the sex scene, but in the scene where they were waking up and fighting over who was going to answer the door, it looked like Brennan had ditched the bra by that point, meaning they were, in fact, naked in bed together, so no lie there.

Also, TV Guide was actually the one that wrote "No dream sequence, no alcohol..." and whatever else they said. Hart's actual quote in that article said nothing more than "They're actually in bed having sex," which they were...it just wasn't in real time. TV Guide said no dream. Hart did not.

He also said at some point that the sex scene was "less of a cheat than the Christmas kiss," meaning it was STILL going to be a cheat. I don't feel lied to at all, but I was always skeptical about how real it was going to be, based on all of those quotes that I mentioned above. TV Guide's reporter lied and/or stretched the truth (as journalists often do,) but Hart's quotes and stuff never actually lied.

Theresa said...

Thank you Stephanie!! I'm with you 100%.

Stephanie said...

Glad to see someone agrees with me! Thanks, Theresa! I loved the finale, and I keep reading all these comments about Hart (and now even Emily!!) lying, so I went back over a lot of their comments, and I have yet to find a real lie. TV Guide was wrong when they said "no dream sequence," but that came from the reporter, not our showrunner, and we don't know how much the reporter actually knew about the finale storyline, especially since that article was released in February. I think people must just be upset that it didn't play out like they wanted/expected it to.

Theresa said...

I've watched the finale about 10 times now, and I love it each time. I said from the beginning that there had to be something funny about them ending up in bed together, because if it was really going to happen they wouldn't be saying openly interviews MONTHS before the finale was even filmed.

I'm just going to let Stephanie speak and agree with what he has to say because apparently we're thinking along the same lines.

Don't Call Me Bones! said...

Thank you Stephanie!! Finally...someone else who isn't so upset and negative. I'm also with you! :)

Don't Call Me Bones! said...

PS...thank you too, Theresa! At least there are 3 of us :)

Joseph said...

Stephanie, I preface this by saying that I respect everybodys opinion even though it differs from mine. In reading your comments about the subject of Hart lying, It seems to me
us fans should not blame Hart but the Tv Guide reporter. Though writer's often stretch the truth, it is very hard to believe that HH had nothing to do with the direction of this article. You seem positive that what was reported was not HH ,but an overzealous reporter. I STILL BELIEVE HE LIED!!!!

Anonymous said...

To Stephanie, Theresa, Don't call me Bones: thanks for speaking up.

early this year i got 3 season DVD as gifts, end up watching all in 5 day! used up vacation time to do it. missed out some early ones in season 4 - the earlier seasons are really really good, because the back story and how they intertwine that with the case, at time you can see how Brennan came to some understanding her mom/dad and even Russ through the cases, those are pivotal moments - as in real life, it opened up new area. This seems to be a bit lacking in season 4. a bit narrow focus and not rich enough. Although 2nd half of season 4 seemed much better - but still like it to be richer...

in terms of relationship between B&B, Booth knows way more about Brennan's past than Brennan knowing Booth's. Sure she knew of his sniper history, he shared one case that led him to stop being one; there's Parker, Rebeca, Cam, Jared; other than that, not much more as compared to what she went through ... Knowing and going through it together is quite different. sure there were him being blown up, shot, kidnapped and now tumor, but she's on the outside (to save him or get him to hospital) and not in it, i.e. not going through together like he did with her dad/Russ/mom thing. That kind of relationship development is much more exciting than the hype/sex stuff (haven't we heard "less is more" - leave it to viewers' own imagination)

What got me watching 3 seasons DVD straight through and love it (the only thing I care to watch on TV) were these kind of things - revealing, growing the characters as they go through things together,that's where the meat is and richness is, and this seemed to be what's lacking in parts of the season 4. Now that they are sure of having 2 more seasons, I hope they get to explore deeper and make it rich (and not just the hype stuff, isn't there a saying "less is more") - And it is not about repeating earlier seasons, but it is about making it rich in whatever new ways creatively.

if HH/writers/cast/crew brought us the show that has the science vs. intuition, logic vs. emotions, brains vs. hearts, humor, laughs, sadness, relationships and friendship in 40+ min, why won't it be even much more now that they have 2 seasons to do it? I'd be waiting ...

Louise said...

Add me to the group that loved the finale (LOVED it ... and such a clever way to carry the storyline forward without having Booth miraculously recover from brain surgery overnight).

90% of people that don't like the finale seem to just be whining ... "but he promised!", "he lied!" etc etc. Honestly, it just seems really childish. So it wasn't what you expected? Big deal. You shouldn't have read so much into the spoilers. HH doesn't have to promise you anything.

[Also, as an aside - if you don't want your 'anon' posts to get mixed up with another 'anon', then don't post anonymously!]

Theresa said...

David interview. I haven't read it yet, so I don't know about spoilers.

http://www.daemonstv.com/2009/06/01/david-boreanaz-from-bones-exclusive-interview/

jenny said...

Stephanie,Theresa and anybody else:
I agree on the fact that journalists can lie and/or stretch the truth-it's sth I always try to keep in mind too and I remember saying pretty much the same thing on this blog a few months ago on a thread about whether they would make Brennan pregnant or not.And I admit that,as the weeks and days to the finale approached,seeing/hearing the quotes you mention and others,I was becoming more and more sceptical about the "reality" of it all..
There are just two things that ruin it all for me: 1)I'm 100% sure that HH deliberately fed and cultivated all those rumours and distorted interpretations of his words,and that's not something a person who is "thankful for our loyal fans,who have followed us from timeslot to timeeslot" does,nor someone that wants to send a "love letter to all of our loyal fans", and 2)I would be able to get past it all and enjoy the episode if this entire season wasn't so incoherent,random and OFF!!!As anon@june1,3:09 pm above me [to avoid misunderstandings ;)]said and like many Bones fans out there,I found this season to be the poorest of all.With only a few bright exceptions like Mayhem or Girl in the Mask or Con Man, the rest of the season was lacking continuity from one episode to the next(sometimes even through the one same epi!),was full of out-of-character moments for both main characters,especially Brennan,was too concentrated on the innuendo and the upcoming hookup to care for character background stories{we've heard that we'll get to see Booth's background since the beginning of S3-then there was the strike ,of course,ok,but what about this season?Oh let me think,they were too busy with lap-dancers and monkeys and "potato chips"(I really can't get past that) to care about it!].I could keep going for hours-they have made sure they provided me with the material!So for me the finale(with the cheat and the AU-another way to say OOC) was just the epitome of all this,a magnifying lense,the final drop in an already full glass of water.
That,coming from the mouth of sb who,like another anon above me,barely ever watches tv shows apart from Bones anymore,because the rest of the shows here in my country seemed so boring and contrived compared to it,who never really cared about tv shows and couldn't understand why the hell people would get so invested in a work of fiction like a tv show!Bones is the first tv show I ever loved so much,the first and only I ever got obsessed with and the fact that this season got me on the verge of quiting makes me deeply sad..and the finale just put the final brushstroke of paint on the sad picture.

Dianna said...

I don't think the fans who felt cheated/disappointed/lied to about the finale are 90% whiners.

I think those of us who felt any of the above felt exactly those things -- and it helped to be able to say how we felt here BECAUSE we are fans and BECAUSE we love this show and BECAUSE we want to feel better and move on just like we want HH and the show to move on.

But maybe if we keep going on and on about it, we are no longer legitimately upset for real reasons but ... well, whining about BEING cheated/disappointed /lied to. So I, for one, am moving on.

There are a lot of BONES websites and fan sites, and I lurk on a lot of them, but Wendy's is the only one I follow regularly and, slowly but surely, have started posting on. Know why?

I am a writer, and I LOVED Wendy's episode reviews. (hint? hint? Wait, I realize you are a little busy right now. Hugs to that baby boy and his mommy!)

I loved her reviews -- and the discussions on here by all you guys -- because they were honest and insightful and made me think.

OWB is not a fan site or shipper site per se; it's a great group of folks who are fans of great writing and acting and stories and therefore have been captured by a show that so often gives us the total package -- so well! Only here was the good writing applauded and the misses and cop-outs pointed out and talked about.

It's going to be a long summer, guys. I, for my part, am really hoping OWB helps me wait it out -- by doing what IT did for me at the outset: giving me good discussions that are about the show (vs a single episode, good or bad), discussions that make me think.

Hats off to all of you!

Wendy said...

I got that hint! :) I do hope I can come through again soon. I really miss doing them. I'm glad you enjoy the site and the show and I hope I can help pass the summer in fun.

Cathers said...
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Cathers said...

All, (but especially Louise)

There are lots of things I liked about both S4 and EitB and I think things are full of promise for S5 if they play it right, but I am also one of the people who felt a bit cheated by HH. I'm not a whiner though (please read my previous posts (Groovycathers)) and neither are a lot of the other posters who were less than enamoured by EitB. I think it's a little harsh to generalise everyone who didn't feel fulfilled by the finale. I respect the opinions of those who did enjoy the finale, in fact I'm glad there are some people who enjoyed it so much.

I really like Anonymous (31st May, 2.33)'s post, I'd like to see that as well.

There were couple of bad typos, which is why I deleted my last comment, reposted it with less typos :-)

Louise said...

Ok guys, I guess I was a bit harsh before. I apologise.

I'm not saying that everyone HAS to like the finale. Of course not, and it's your right to be disappointed if that's how you feel.

It's just that I've seen so many posts (not just on OWB - maybe that's the problem) that ONLY seem to be disappointed because the 'hook-up' wasn't real. I admit, I often imagine that episodes will turn out differently than they do, but we can't really blame them for not making the episode we expected!

Again, I know the reason that people expected something else was because of all the spoiler talk flying around. I guess the lesson to be learnt there is, don't believe what you hear! I guess I'm not that annoyed with HH because I never really believed him in the first place - it's (part of) his job to stir up interest in the show.

Anonymous said...

Just finished reading an article on how Emily stated that David was so protective of her during the sex scene. Where do you get a guy who looks like that that is so caring, especially an actor? Emily even admitted that if the tables were reversed she wouldn' have been that caring. To paraphrase the Japanese actor in one episode Dr Brennan/Emily you are a lucky woman to work with Booth/DB.

Anonymous said...

David was like that with his former female co-star Charisma Carpenter on Angel when they had to do a sexy/sex scenes. The same with Julie Benz. Also, the 3 girls on David's movie "These Girls" said he was really sweet and made them comfy during the sex scenes with him. David's a gentleman. Plain and simple. Nothing to read into.

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