Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Extreme Spoiler Chat: Harbingers in the Fountain

Spoilers have arrived! It's our first 'Spoiler Chat' post of Season 5: Harbingers in the Fountain.

Here, you can comment about ANY spoilers related to this episode. It's FFA and spoiler-phobes stay away!

Since it's the start of the Season, and there are new readers who don't know where to find sides, I will post links THIS TIME. I do not plan to make a habit of posting sides though, as we're not a spoiler-heavy blog around here. But just this once...

SpoilerTV (He's looking for support for posting Bones sides, so if you read them, give it to him!)
Bones Spoilers LiveJournal
BonesSpoilers Blog
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67 comments:

jenny said...

O.M.G!!!!!!!!!!

That can't be true!!!That can't possibly be true!!!

What if HH is playing with us?What if he wants to mislead us for the sake of S5 opener ratings?Or for whatever reasons I may not be able to think of at the moment?

As forensicmama@BonesSpoilersBlog says,they have realised fake sides before...

I mean,if it was THAT easy and simple,why now and not on one of the previous similar occasions?The moment when Booth comes in shooting the guy the very last moment reminds me of Two Bodies in the Lab anyway...

I REALLY TOTALLY hope it's true!!! I'm just afraid to get my hopes up at the moment!

jenny said...

I meant *they have released fake sides before* :p

The Other Jane said...

I don't want to NOT trust the sides, but until I see it on the screen, I won't be trusting the sides.

It looks like the kiss is resolved in that episodes, but I hope there are repercussion -- the good kind -- that lead to more B&B moments without rushing the relationships.

Also? So happy that Brennan will be doing some of her moves (while fighint the doctor)! It's been a while since she did any cool action scenes!

I love the premise of the case: the six harbingers, the "Canaries of the coal mine." Good stuff. Yay Bones!

jenny said...

@The Other Jane:
Agree!!!Yay for action Brennan!!!

If the sides are for real,this is going to be a very interesting episode!!!

Rolywa said...

AHHHHH! YAY!!!!!!!!!!! This will make the finale much more worth it!

Stephanie said...

Oh my gosh!!! I sooooooo hope these are real because I just got way too excited for it to be a joke, haha.

Though...wait a minute...isn't the actress who plays Caroline supposed to be in a new show this fall? I think I remember hearing that. That's the only reason why I think they may not be real...everything else seems to line up with stuff HH has Tweeted about.

And jenny, I think their first real kiss WILL be that easy and simple (whether this one's it or not,) especially at this point in their relationship.

cordy said...

A KISS, A KISS, A KISS!!!
OMG this is going to be soooo good

Shep said...

I can't believe this just yet. For one thing, it seems a bit soon for a kiss and also - there's no watermark on the sides! I'm going to remain skeptical for a little longer.

But if it does turnout to be true - YAY! KISS! (as long as it's one that sort of gets resolved quickly, since I think it's a bit early in the season for a nice, big smooch, despite the UST having gone on for 4 seasons) And YAY! for some butt-kicking - that's what I like to see!

Timon said...

Watermarks ? Why ? there're usually watermarks on sides ?

Shep said...

Yeah, check out the old ones, they have a date and time across the page in grey, unless I'm mistaken and that's just the date they're recieved and posted on Bones Spoilers. But the April Fools ones didn't have them. And they usually cross sections out differently too - more of a big 'X' than a single line through. - Just sayin'
I could be wrong.

Yvanne K said...

I'm EXTREMELY confused!!

Sophie said...

If you download the ones on the Bones Spoilers blog (not the ones from SpoilerTV), they have watermarks.

Wendy said...

I don't think his usually have the watermark, but as I'm not an avid sides reader, I'm not positive.

Timon said...

Oh ok thanks Shep..even if they're fake..until I see it I can't help but think it's true!
I'm already seeing me on the edge of my chair watching Brennan running, bleeding..kissing...arghhh

Shep said...

Atm, it seems too good to be true. You think this is a way of them trying to make up a bit for the negative reactions to the S4 finale - giving us an actual, proper non-cheat B/B smoochie? Not that I'm complaining! ;) Or maybe it's just a little treat for us!

The sides say 'Writer's Draft' at the top, instead of 'Confidential', so maybe the ep could change a bit(?)

Don't think the sides showed much else so here's hoping we get a good science/sympathy/humour combo too!

jenny said...

I was thinking..page 44 has no dialogue for the Dr. but is still in the sides..Little unusual..Technically,he is there,getting stabbed in the throat...But shouldn't the rest of the page be Xed out with a big fat black X if these were real sides?I mean the part with Booth & Brennan..they usually draw a line and X the rest of the page when the part that the sides are for ends..Does that mean they might be fake??? :( Or mabe just this page is a fake,added to the rest??

Shep said...

I'm going to maintain that these are fake (at least in part) until further confirmation is recieved. Something just seems a bit off...

Shep said...

The character of Avalon is definitely true:

HH on Twitter:
"@quintopulent Cynid Lauper is not in fact playing herself. She's playing a character currently named Avalon Harmonia. She can act!"

jenny said...

Mama@BonesSpoilersBlog had an interesting theory about that though..What if he knew these sides would be released and deliberately let slip the name so that we would believe the sides are true?It's possible!I have to admit I was a little surprised and in disbelief when I saw the tweet:HH revealing the actual NAME of the character??How many times has he been so "talkative" before???

Shep said...

That is interesting! Wouldn't put it past him to do that. Guess it's back to waiting for further info for me then.

Sophie said...

The Mark Gaffney sides from "Man in the Outhouse" were also labeled "Writer's Draft," didn't include a watermark, and were basically correct for the episode.

It's also not solid that they're always listed "Confidential" many of them have also been "Pink," "Blue," or just "White." In the side with no actual dialogue, there is mention of him in the scene with "FYI" written next to it.

I'm not saying that it's not a fake, I'm just saying the chances are smaller than one might think. :)

Maria said...

OMG!!!! people, How can anybody believe Hart Hanson about anything. This guy is a liar. He has repeatedly fudged the truth since S3.
If this is true(I dont believe him), then he must have took so much flack for the S4 finale that he probably thought I better give the fans something they want before they stop watching. I STILL DONT'T BELIEVE IT.

Louise said...

Don’t forget that the sides we normally see are those sent out for castings, and as far as I can tell they are not at that stage yet – I think the writers are still discussing the scripts aren’t they?

If these are genuine, then one theory I just read as to the kiss suggests that maybe Booth is still struggling to remember if Bones is his wife or not … and that perhaps she is playing along until he remembers properly. Not definite, but that’s one possibility.

But, as always, don’t read too much into the sides, and you wont be disappointed. Any chance we could put a ban on the phrase “HH lied!” for season 5? ;)

jenny said...

Agree Louise,I think this thing of accusing HH of lying has drawn along(?) for too long..I mean I was disappointed too but after all this is showbusiness!They have released fake sides before,for Glowing Bones in the Old Stone House-and I mean completely fake,with Carly and Abby alive and preparing food in the restaurant!!And even if the sides aren't fake,we've seen small or bigger parts of them change until the actual epi is out quite a few times before,probably because of the whole rewritting process HH tweeted about and the ideas they get from the actors etc.
So to me it's just about not letting one's hopes get too high-because this is,after all,Bones we are talking about-if everything was that easy and out in plain sight,it wouldn't be Bones anymore!
P.S. On a totally different note,wasn't C.Lauper's character supposed to be *Angela's* psychic?

Stephanie said...

I believe she was supposed to be a psychic that Angela knows who Booth and Brennan consult or something. She was originally supposed to have a connection to Angela, but that could have changed since I believe that bit of info came out a while ago.

I don't see the big deal about Hart telling us what Cyndi Lauper's character's name is going to be. It's just a name. It gives away nothing. And I agree we should ban accusations of lying. It's just gotten ridiculous.

As for whoever asked about casting, Hart Hanson tweeted that the actors would be back on set on Monday. If they're close enough to filming to be five days from bringing the actors back to work, it would make since that they're looking for guest stars now. Scripts can change up until the few moments before they're filmed.

MaDi said...

I really don't know anything about sides, but this line
"BRENNAN
Dr. Leacock? It's Dr. Brennan from the FBI?"
is not a bit weird?

Since when Dr. Brennan says that she is from the FBI? She is always so proud of being the forensic anthropologist from the Jeffersonian Institute...

CantBelieveISaidThat said...

Like most of you I am not keeping my hopes up for these sides to be real... The whole scene w/ the stabbing and Booth saving Bones seems quite corny to me. Just a feeling. I would love it if they were real, but I have serious doubts.
Think about it: if they only left the two last lines about the kissing out, the scene would not cause such a rawkus(sp?) So throwing us off by adding these two lines to the real scene wouldn't even be that much of an effort... Only question here being: why???

Louise said...

MaDi ... I think Brennan has identified herself as FBI before, mostly when it will benefit her more than saying the Jeffersonian (for instance, am I imagining it or did she once say something similar to "Freeze! FBI!"?)

I think in this case she's saying it because the other guy would only have met her when she was with the FBI, carrying out the investigation. So saying "Dr. Leacock? It's Dr. Brennan from the forensic anthropology department of the Jeffersonian Institute" might not have worked as well :)

Stephanie said...

Yeah, I found that comment more amusing then weird. Saying she's from the Jeffersonian doesn't give her the illusion of having any sort of legal power, but saying she's from the FBI would when she's using that with people who don't know any better.

Louise, you're not imagining that. In "The Man with the Bone" is season one, she screamed "FBI! You're all under arrest!" to get people's attention, and I seem to remember her doing something similar a few other times. :)

jenny said...

Last time she did that was Mayhem on a Cross,when Murderbreath cut his throat. "FBI!Step back!" ;)

@CantBelieveISaidThat: Boosting up the S5 opener ratings with fans impatient to find out if it actually happens or not seems good enough a reason to me...

MaDi said...

As far as I can remember, all the times that she said it, she was actually with someone from the FBI (Booth or Sweets).

But you are probably right about the illusion of having some kind of legal power. And she obviously enjoys that idea.

Distracted said...

I'm new to sides, so forgive me if this has been rehashed a million times. I'm wondering how we know that the glowing bones episode sides were "fakes"? A lot of the sides are pretty consistent with the story line--isn't it possible that the story slightly changed after the sides were released? And the Carly and Abby cooking sides....we'll, in the episode, Angela pulls up Carly's myspace page and watches a video of them cooking.... I haven't compared the two (yet), but it doesn't seem to me that those sides were planted to fake us out. Just my two cents worth. Please let me know if I'm far off!

CantBelieveISaidThat said...

@jenny: Yes, of course that reason. But would he really risk to piss a lot of people off a second time (the first time being EitB)? Hope HH wouldn't wanna risk anyone dying from a broken heart...

Poetic_line said...

I'm leery because every side I've read has always said "confidential" on it at the top.

There is no bickering between Booth and Brennan.

And there are 2 versions. One has the watermark and the 2nd without it.

The watermarked side came out later after it was discussed that the watermark was missing.

I won't accuse Hart Hanson of lying. He's just playing with us is all.

And then why aren't the sides for all characters out individually as usual?

I'll wait till the episode airs. I'm going to watch it anyway.

I would not want to believe Booth and Brennan kiss until it happens.

I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.

MaDi said...

I think I will be disappointed if there is actually a B/B kiss in the first episode of season 5. I think that it is really too soon.

B! said...

I don´t know if is good or bad to see a kiss in the first episode. I think is too soon! It would be better if they show more of the sexual tension betewen those two and some "looks" :P

I think the kiss is great but maybe later in the season...

omg omg omg omg! said...

okay...this is how the sides read to me:

yada yada yada. yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada. booth kisses brennan! yada yada yada yada yada yada...

so. now i must pray every day not to die before the season 5 premiere. if anyone needs to reach me, i'll either be in the kitchen saying my rosary or in the backyard sacrificing chickens. please all that is holy don't let me get hit by a truck till the 18th of September.

booth kisses brennan! booth kisses brennan!

Leila said...

Ok... It's a little weird though... They kiss... and they never talk about it in the rest of the episode... THAT TOTALY SUCK!

I almost prefer no kiss.. because it's like nothing happen and it's not what i'm expecting for...

And I was omg omg omg omg! blalblablablabliblobla booth kisses brenana blablabloublablibloblue

Stephanie said...

Casting sides only give us a few pages of the total script, so I don't think it's fair to assume they're not going to mention it again after seeing only a few pages. They might! The episodes usually end with Booth/Brennan scenes, so you never know.

And too soon? Seriously? It's been four years! How much longer do they need? I've always said the Bones writers are fabulous at keeping them apart and having it not be annoying, but I think they'll pass that point if they keep dragging it on for too much longer. Keeping them apart too long is just as bad as getting them together too soon in the series.

MaDi said...

@Stephanie: It is too soon because it is immediately after his brain surgery.

I really do not want that Brennan decides to be with Booth only because she realized that he could die. And, sincerely, I do not think that Booth would want it also.

Stephanie said...

Oh, that's true, but, for some reason, I doubt they're gonna pick it up right where they left off. Booth's out in the field and conducting a regular investigation in the sides (so it seems,) and brain surgery would require time off from that, so I think they'll jump ahead a bit like all the other seasons have to get them right back to solving murders together. It never even occured to me that it might be happening right after "End in the Beginning."

catnapping said...

it needn't be some kiss of passion...

i'm thinking something affectionate...something gentle, much the way a husband and wife might kiss each other when they're NOT having sex.

not all kisses are about getting someone aroused. even those between two lovers.

i think of bones and booth as a married couple. and i think they think of each other that way too.

remember how he didn't wanna tell her about cam...he felt like he was cheating on her. i think cuz subconciously, he feels married to her.

and when he said he didn't want to father a child unless he was going to be an active parent...she didn't say, okay, i'll find someone else. she said, okay i won't have a baby, then.

these two made their committment a long time ago. they just didn't do it out loud.

i've been hoping that the writers would start allowing these two some affection...the occasional touch of a hand (even maybe holding hands)...a soft kiss to remind each other of their bond.

i think if they want to ease into couple-ship, the way to go is to NOT have some earth-shattering first time in bed (oh, no. we've had sex. what are we gonna do, now?)....but to let the flame build slowly...tentatively.

Nina said...

unfortunately, ever since those fake sides were released for the finale i dont trust sides anymore which is so sad.
which is not to say i didn't read those and faint twelve times at the IDEA because... well i have nothing else bonesy to do these days!!!

i feel like the 'everything between them is back to normal' does indicated some kind of... things getting un-normal (kissing? loving?) and them deciding to not do that. but if the sides are real then a murder attempt and the catching of the crook happen towards the end of the episode as well as getting a drink. so the two moments dont seem to make sense together. thoughts?

jenny said...

@catnapping I love your thoughts!Reading your comment I finally realised what it was that I didn't like so much about the idea of them having sex first and then facing the 'consequences' of it.The slow,tentative building you're talking about is what I'd love to see on the show too..And I think that's what I liked in previous seasons about them and not in S4:everything was building slowly back then,moment by moment,touch by touch,whereas in S4 things seemed more forced with all the innuendo and the prospect of having them in bed in the finale hovering over their heads(I hope that makes sense).So I'd like things to unfold that way again.

But I think there will be consequences,even if this kiss is mostly caring and affectionate.It will still be a big step forward from the "just partners" situation,sth that I don't think they would be able to ignore/not acknowledge.

I'm still not ready to believe these sides are real,though :p

Stephanie said...

That was my problem with the thought of B&B having sex in the finale when they hadn't even really kissed yet, too. I want the slow build-up, not some really quick get together.

Nina, I didn't quite follow what you were saying, but I think this might help you. I was a little confused, too, but the sides jump from page 50 to page 53, and then, for some reason, page 51 is the last page posted. So maybe you didn't think the moments fit together because you didn't realize the pages were out of order.

Now I'm wondering how Emily's broken toe is going to affect this episode, especially the kicking/fighting/running part...if these are real, that is.

Nina said...

i meant, if there are two moments

1. everything between them is back to normal

2. they kiss

assuming 'normal' is a plutonic partnership (by the way i am also for not jumping into bed but i WOULD much prefer a passionate you saved my life kiss to some husband and wifey moment that doesnt take advantage of how much tension has been built!) ... then if things go back to normal after they kiss, the kiss was made moot. if things go back to normal BEFORE they kiss, then they havent really, have they?

so, what was ABnormal? you know??

again, nothing else bonsey to do other than watch all the old eps again

Anonymous said...

what happend to booth loosing his memory from the op? i hurd that the last epp from season 4 was booth dreaming from the op he had?

Gillian said...

Well... I think I shouldn't have read that. It got my hopes up. Every time I thought of it, I would just squeal and the thought of Angela finding out would just be priceless!

I hope it's not some cruel joke that Hart Hanson's playing on us.

I'd have to see it to believe it.

Ohhh!! I just got my hopes up really high!

I want it to happen on the first episode but then again I'd also love to see some sexual tension. I can't decide.

The sides don't tell us anything about what happened to Booth's so called memory loss, which is what I really want to find out.

IAMSPARTACUS said...

i, though i have never read fanfiction before, have gone back to read these sides a couple of times simply for the thrill of reading the words.


maybe i should read fanfiction. it is safer.

Elena said...

Though I really, really want to get excited about this kiss, I am trying to contain myself and keep those fake sides from the season finale in mind. I agree with those of you, especially Catnapping, who said that their first step into couplehood needn't be earth-shaking sex...I would much rather have them build slowly to that with sweet kisses and discreet touches. I especially like the idea of them perhaps trying to remain "just friends" this season but really struggling with that...and maybe they slip up from time to time...and maybe they eventually give in but decide to keep it a secret. Secret relationships are exciting and HOT! When they finally take that step into couplehood, and we all know they will, it is going to be amazing. So, why not let this burn for a bit longer?

On that note, I have to say that though I was really looking forward to them having sex in the season finale, in hindsight I am so glad they didn't. Though they have sexual chemistry like no two other characters I have ever seen on tv, there was no serious build-up to any sex. I mean, we know they want each other, but it would have felt rushed if it had happened in that episode...kinda like, ok, it's the season finale, we know this is what the audience wants, so here it is. Does that make any sense? I want to see these two together as badly as anyone else does, but I think patience is a virtue...so, I hope they kiss in the season premiere...and I hope it leads to many more kisses this season. Come on, Hart, don't play with our emotions again!!! =)

Nancy said...

i mean, if we were to say what the ideal way for the two to get together would be, i think something like 'oops i almost died you save me surprise kiss' might be good because the two think way to much to get together any other way without it being unbelievably labored over and awkward and probably decided against... it would have to either be a surprise kiss like the one in the sides that they then try to deny but then looms bigger and bigger... that IS a great idea. its either that or some storyline but i cant imagine what.

and SPEAKING of storylines- where on earth is it in any of these sides that the 'WHO ARE YOU' moment that basically sent me into cardiac arrest from the end of the last episode has ANY ramifications/meaning?? what IS that???? if its nothing then i feel played with. and its kind of, i dont know, bad cheap writing!

on a fun note, the word verification i need to type in order to post this is 'pregr'. ehehehe

Shep said...

HH did say that he could've written that last scene better. He said it was more of a 'which Brennan are you?' rather than Booth having lost all memory.

I agree with everyone who said they want to see a slow build-up. The looks and touches between the two of them have been subtle for the most part. Now I think it's time to intensify them, but slowly. I do want to see some kisses this season, maybe ones which seem awkward and sort of 'what-the-hell!' to them (but hot to us) but make them realise that there is something between them which they can't ignore for much longer.

I can't help but think that if they have this hot kiss in the very first episode, it will feel as if HH is trying to make up for the dream-cheat in the S4 finale, even though it turned out the way he wanted. I know some people felt that Zack's revelation in PPitPP was a poor way of making up for the S3 finale. (which I can kind of see, but I'm just glad Zack said it)

Shep said...

HH on Twitter:

'@soonersurrender Very good! Yes someone alive gets hurt in the season opener. No other questions will be answered on the subject.'

That could mean Brennan, suggesting that the recent sides were true. Or it could mean someone else, after all, live people get hurt all the time on Bones.

Elena said...

Nancy, I think you're absolutely right that any action between these two has to be kinda in the heat of the moment. I love the idea that they will kiss after Booth saves Bones, as the sides say will happen...but then they try to move past that like nothing happened they find that they just can't do it. It would be like that one kiss opens the floodgates and there's no going back. In answer to your question about Booth's "amnesia," Booth was asking Bones who she was not bc he didn't remember her but bc he was confused about which version of Bones she is: his partner or his wife/baby mama. I think that his dream/alternate reality is going to really screw with his mind and emotions, especially in the season premiere, and likely for the duration of the season. Though he has clearly had strong feelings for Bones for quite some time now, living this alternate reality may have given him a taste of what could be if they were together...and having had that taste, fantasy or not, may be all Booth needs to find the courage to do what he can to make that fantasy a reality.

Now begs the question, does Bones want that reality as well? Does she want to take the risk and live the life she was writing about as Booth was comatose? Does she truly want a relationship with Booth? The answer, I think, is a resounding HECK YES! =) Though Gordon Gordon has let on that only one of the pair is acutely aware of and struggles with their attraction, I have to say that I disagree with him. At first I agreed wholeheartedly and immediately thought it is Booth to whom he is referring. With all the blushing, hard swallowing, stuttering and jittery eye movements he does in response to a touch, kiss on the cheek, suggestive comment, or deep gaze from Bones, it is obvious he harbors strong feelings for her. Though it appears that Bones is oblivious to his and even her own feelings, I have been watching various episodes and catching small hints that makes me think she is more aware than we may realize.

For example, I was watching Con Man in the Meth Lab recently. In this episode, Jared Booth takes Bones to a military function and kisses her, saying that he bet Seeley never took that risk. She responds with a wistful smile and "nope." Her tone is one of disappointment and sadness. Earlier in the episode when Jared asks Booth if he minds if Bones acts as his date for the evening Booth kinda brushes the question off by saying, "No, why would I mind?" Bones' reaction says it all: she wrinkles her brow at first and then glares at him, mouth open, with this look that says she would love to punch him square in the face. She is exasperated, perhaps because she was hoping Booth would say that it would bother him and that, no, Jared could not take her out on a date. I feel like Bones has been putting herself out there subtly, and perhaps subconsciously, for awhile now and Booth always stops just short of taking a step toward her and sealing the deal. Every time they have had a "moment," a lingering gaze, a conversation that hinted to more than meets the eye (see the next to last scenes of The Truth in the Lye or The Curl in the Girl from season 2), it is typically Booth who stumbles or pulls away from things. This is not to say that Bones is exactly full of initiative when it comes to this relationship...she is also in denial about the fact that she does love him (i.e. Angela refers to Booth as one of Bones' loved ones in The Hero in the Hold, to which Bones too hastily replies, "I don't love Booth") and is resistant to the idea of losing herself in someone (i.e. deleting her writing from The End in the Beginning).

These two are completely in love with each other and would do anything for one another, even risking their own lives, which each has done in the past. Though it will undoubtedly take a while for them to solidify their relationship, I am looking forward to the small but hot and sweet steps they will take to get there. Bring on Season 5 already!!!

Elena said...

Just some extra thoughts...ha ha I'm a teacher on summer break, so I have too much time on my hands to do nothing but blog. =0P

Anyway, I wanted to expand upon what i was thinking regarding Booth needing to be the one to take the step that will bring he and Bones together. I don't think this because he's the man and needs to be in charge, blah blah blah. I think this is the way it has to be because of who Brennan is...she needs to feel a sense of deep security when it comes to love. We all know her history, so no need to get into that. She has given Booth the green light a few times...I mean, just look at how into the kiss she was. The look on her face as she moved in for the kiss in Santa in the Slush was classic and so revealing of her feelings for him. I'm not saying I know all there is to know about Bones...she is such a complicated and fascinating character and has shown herself to be unpredictable (suddenly deciding she wants a baby)...but I have come to believe that she needs Booth to take her hand and lead her into a relationship. She won't go there on her own, not without feeling that she is safe and not about to get rejected by yet another person she loves. In order to finally lose herself in someone, to really fall deeply in love, to be willing to risk her happiness she needs to know that everything's gonna be ok, that she is loved by Booth as much as she loves him. She needs to have a balanced, logical equation of sorts in order for it to make sense to her.

I think that's all I have to say about that for now. Thoughts? I <3 discussing this stuff. It's such a well-written show with tons to talk about. What are you guys thinking??

kba said...

Yes, I agree—Brennan is the one who ‘knows’ her feelings. She won’t take the step forward into a relationship without feeling secure with him, though, and she is waiting for something from him. But I think his resistance is that he still, at a basic level, does not feel part of the squints’/Brennan’s world…he doesn’t feel good enough or smart enough. Even if you can’t be stupid if you’ve become an FBI agent! He’s secure enough in what he does at work, but I think that relates back to the time capsule episode and the high school stuff. The embarrassing/shameful incident for him involved someone telling him he was a ‘Philistine’ and maybe this was the first time he realized that there were people who didn’t care about the golden boy status and simply regarded him with contempt. Heap a load of guilt on that for not ‘saving’ the geek that said it when his peers retaliated may have made it fester—and he never feels he can be worthy of the brainy crowd. Brennan is always correcting him in fact/science, which makes him still feel like a philistine, though Brennan says she is just trying to help him evolve. Maybe the ‘saving’ thing in the sides is finally him getting to save the kid being dangled over the stairway ?? (OK, yes, I just watched the time capsule episode, so maybe I’m reading too much into it ;-) )

Too many ways that Booth could kiss Brennan under those circumstances to really speculate what it might be like or what it could mean. But I agree that making it too hot & heavy early in the season would be a big mistake. The show needs that UST. Too many good shows ruined by resolving it! I’d rather the kiss be a short & fierce ‘thank god you are OK’ one that is an unexpected reaction they both have to pull back and think about for awhile. (Especially if Booth is still trying to resolve uncertainties of amnesia.) I really don’t like the idea of Brennan getting all fluttery just because he ‘saves her’—she is a stronger character than that and has been in scarier situations without folding.

I love the idea of the ‘who are you’ question not being literal, but being more about confusion between dream & reality! When you think about it, that is really the essential question we ask of others at every moment of our lives.

Wendy said...

Moved from general post:

Natalie said...

hart hanson posted acts four and five of the harbingers in the fountain (5x1) on twitter. i dont know if anyone has seen it but here you go(:

act 4 - http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/gen/501_-_dr__chas_leacock.pdf

act 5 - http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/gen/501_-_alexander_gallo_tom_fargood.pdf

Elena said...

Did you guys read what Michael Ausiello posted on EW.com (in his column Ask Ausiello)? He spoke to Hart Hanson about the rumored B&B kiss in the season premiere. Hart said that while a kiss was "scripted" (as we have all seen in the sides) he can't confirm if it will actually happen or putting that in the sides was a plant in order to detect any leaks. I really, really, REALLY hope it's for real and he isn't playing with us AGAIN, but tread carefully, guys. Keep hope alive but don't be surprised if it's a fake out...again.

Anonymous said...

HH did it? so they are gonna kiss? OMG OMG OMG

Elena said...

Those were HH's words to Entertainment Weekly's Michael Ausiello. I guess the only way we will find out if this kiss is for real is just by watching the premiere. Only 60-something days to go, right?

Lucia said...

yes, Im getting a little addict to bones spoilers. they don't let me sleep.. and i can't speak english very well bc of that..

Stephanie said...

I agree with Elena. I think it could go either way. I know Hart's job is to keep us guessing, and I know studios/showrunners HATE spoilers, but doing that as a way to identify leaks is just lame. Spoilers are just a part of the TV business.

I really hope it's true. I think if it's not, he's going to have even more angry fans to deal with. I mean, people got irritated with the finale, and we actually got the bed scene we'd been hearing about. Everyone who's read the sides (or this Ausiello article) is now automatically going to be disappointed in the premiere if there's no kiss. Hart has to know that, right?

Lucia said...

i read somewhere that HH was in act 5... what that means? he will be in the middle of the scene?

What the hell is going on... said...

In some ways I sort of hope this is fake.

One of my favourite parts of the show and also what really set the Booth / Brennan chemistry alight was the fact that they always had these little conversations and arguments. If the writers have cut that out then I think the show will lose a lot of it's magic. I hope B/B do kiss but some cute, awkward moments first would be better.

I'm soooooo annoye though, I live in Australia and we are not going to see season five till 2010 I think. Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! I can't wait that long. Anyway, can't wait for this episode and I hope the writers don't stuff it up.

Elena said...

@What the hell is going on:

I agree that a big part of the Booth/Brennan chemistry really comes through when they have their back and forth banter/arguments. I'm very pro-kiss because I think it make sense at this point in their story. I mean, it has been 2 seasons since their first and only kiss...and that one was basically the product of blackmail. I think what fans are hoping for is to have them have a spur of the moment kiss that knocks them both off balance and forces them to deal with their emotions. Considering what they have just been through, it would be lame and disappointing if they just ignored the feelings stirred up by Booth's health crisis or dealt with it simply by having more awkward moments. Those moments are awesome, but an honest-to-goodness kiss would be appropriate and pretty necessary to advance their relationship.

PS Do you have access to Hulu.com in Australia? If so, you can watch the Season 5 episodes the day after they air in the US. =)

Anonymous said...

ahh im an aussie 2 and ive been trying to get the eps on everything hulu.com has a block i think on the counries that havent aired the eps yet. god we r so far behind we just had the ep with the dead death metalist!
i dont know im more a fan of them hooking up through being locked together somewhere over night that would be better.
i dont know about these spoilers and everything but isent it sort of a game? i mean we dnt really have a right to see spoilers if they dont want us to see them and if they send out fakes isent it just them out playing us?

Elena said...

@Anonymous Well, Hart Hanson himself allows certain things to leak because he wants fans to be excited about what's coming. He is not going to tell us if/when Brennan and Booth will get together or what will transpire in their relationship because that's just too much info. He wants to keep us guessing but he knows that fans need a hint of what's to come in order to keep them hooked. Some spoilers are false, but a lot of them are accurate. =)

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